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Heartbreaker revisited!
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06/04/2011 11:21
06/04/2011 11:21
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Barbz
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Just to update my current power figures after FC Performance map.
Flea mapped it to 1.6bar in the midrange and 1.4 at the redline (7600rpm}.
Made 465@1.3bar and 360trq, with fluff'd Apexi settings. Run was done in 3rd gear. I will expand on the session later with graph of course.
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197245
06/04/2011 11:47
06/04/2011 11:47
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Marco20valveT
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WOW, good figure's there Barbz...
what do you want to get it to??
looking forward to seeing the graph!
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197253
06/04/2011 12:07
06/04/2011 12:07
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Sweet, bet its so good to drive, especially on a day like today.
Now in the 400+ bhp club!
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197256
06/04/2011 12:09
06/04/2011 12:09
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Did you break the big 500 barrier on higher boost setting?
Also did Flea not run it on the dyno he uses in Bristol?
Now in the 400+ bhp club!
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197276
06/04/2011 12:33
06/04/2011 12:33
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h2ypr
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Also did Flea not run it on the dyno he uses in Bristol?
Think Barbz probably wanted to use an independant rolling road. Ross
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
[Re: mr_tickle]
#1197353
06/04/2011 14:36
06/04/2011 14:36
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doug20vt
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That is quite good for a Gtec 1 and drilled airbox Congratulations. lol that's seriously impressive, 465bhp on an allegedly stingy dyno at just 1.3bar, looking foward to seeing the graphs congrats
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197388
06/04/2011 15:44
06/04/2011 15:44
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suba
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Barbz - was that on Surrey RR?
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197438
06/04/2011 17:09
06/04/2011 17:09
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Barbz
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Yes mate,
The Infamous Surrey RR.
Struggled to hold full boost on the day, just my luck eh. I should of run it in 4th, target boost would have been a lot more stable.
Flea's dyno not running yet.
500hp was my target at 1.4bar with 400trq at current stage 1 level.
I've sent the graph's to beggar's to post up.
Thanks guys Barbz
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197456
06/04/2011 17:36
06/04/2011 17:36
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Marco20valveT
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Barbz, why not go to a better dyno? like red dot?? i bet that is at least 500bhp on a better dyno!! well...may as well say it... When can you take for a white knuckle ride in that monster??
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197471
06/04/2011 17:54
06/04/2011 17:54
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suba
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ahem - just because it reads higher does not mean that it is better.... the car would not feel any different on the road. All the reports I know of from Surrey RR say that it is pretty accurate, just seems to read lower than some...
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197609
06/04/2011 22:28
06/04/2011 22:28
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johnnybravoturbo
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Did you run the 1.6 to test if it was actually slower as we thought? Unusual how the lower boost setting to me seemed to pull stronger throughout the rev range.
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197691
06/04/2011 23:55
06/04/2011 23:55
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Barbz
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Could only manage to hold 1.3bar in the end, seems that Apexi dont like dyno's.
Suba's right,you just need a reference point when you start modding, rr figure's are one thing but actual on the road power is the real test.
Marco- Sure, we should link up sometime when i'm in your nick of the woods, London roads are awful.
Just discovered that the turbo's blowing past the gasket and a boost leak becoming more audiable.
Never bl@@dy ending!
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197737
07/04/2011 00:39
07/04/2011 00:39
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Marco20valveT
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Marco- Sure, we should link up sometime when i'm in your nick of the woods, London roads are awful.
Dreams coming true lol Just discovered that the turbo's blowing past the gasket and a boost leak becoming more audiable.
Never bl@@dy ending!
That's the way you like it mate!!!! Can't have you not busy lol
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197750
07/04/2011 01:07
07/04/2011 01:07
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suba
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is the car holding the same boost on the road? It's interesting how it can differ... My Rx7 was mapped to 1.1 bar peak, and 1 bar sustained on the rollers, and peaks at 0.9 bar on the road - with the boost coming in earlier on the road as well. very easy to tweak the map on the road though with the Apexi P/fc controller to compensate.
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197813
07/04/2011 10:09
07/04/2011 10:09
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Ok here we go... On the road I set the boost to peak at 1.6bar before dropping to 1.4bar at the redline. Unfortunately as is the way with many dynos they don't load the engine enough to reach the same pressure level, so the controller has to be modified accordingly. If Barbz had more time then he could have played with the settings, but it was a busy dyno day so cars were on and off quickly. As for figures, 465bhp is very impressive and it certainly feels it on the road! I am going to extend the limiter as the power is still not dropping off so no reason not to use it. Sheikhs (Barbz's brother ex-coupe owner) had his 350z turbo conversion on after Barbz, and that made 420bhp, although this was 30bhp less than when he had it tuned on another dyno. I will hopefully be getting it on my dyno over the next week or so, that way it will be a fair comparison to all the other Coupes, and of course I will make sure the correct boost level is achieved! Next test is the drag strip I am sure!
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197818
07/04/2011 10:21
07/04/2011 10:21
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Marco20valveT
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that i can not wait to see!!
santa pod day any one??
Barbz, i will build the santa pod day round you mate as i desporatly want to see the monster in action!!!!
i will give you a call later today!!
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197821
07/04/2011 10:27
07/04/2011 10:27
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that i can not wait to see!!
santa pod day any one??
Barbz, i will build the santa pod day round you mate as i desporatly want to see the monster in action!!!!
i will give you a call later today!! Shakespeare! Chrissy
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197830
07/04/2011 10:42
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johnnybravoturbo
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As mentioned above the dyno i use typically reaches almost a mirror image of the boost on the road,but unusually holds boost longer. As for the gaskets,the evo lads use the HKS ones and although there £100 a pop they never fail. Im on my 4th ex gasket in 2000 miles now. Starts tapping after a track day or a live map. As for the turbo to manifold gasket i never use them as they never seal,however it takes time on the Cnc machine to ensure a perfect match with the manifold.Most distort under welding so there never true out of the box.
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1197943
07/04/2011 14:14
07/04/2011 14:14
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Nobby
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Thats super Barbz. Can we see some pics of your new car?
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1217013
20/05/2011 00:46
20/05/2011 00:46
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Barbz
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Just updating my figures after sorting 2 major boost leaks, which turned out to be the Forge atmos DV and fuel tank vent valve . The graphs have red (old run) and blue (new run) traces which show power and torque gains all the way to 6250rpm. The biggest gains are lower down with a maximum 100bhp & 120ft lbs jump at 4250rpm , all at a modest 1.3bar. Couldn't run anymore boost as AFR was leaning off. Looks like another trip to flea for some tweaking, again . The low to mid end torque is just AWESOME, thats how powerful engine should be, unrelenting all the way to redline. Stage 1 is complete, Badboy blower waiting to be fitted!
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1217014
20/05/2011 00:53
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Marco20valveT
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Stage 1 is complete, Badboy blower waiting to be fitted! WHAT Stage 1??? How many stages can there be when your hitting nearly 450bhp at 1.3bar boost?? Going to be an interesting year!!!!!!
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1217185
20/05/2011 17:17
20/05/2011 17:17
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It was funny watching Barbz standing in front of the car trying to hold the bonnet open when the the car was trying to jump out of the rollers!
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1217197
20/05/2011 17:39
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Barbz
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Aiming for the stage that opens the very exclusive 600bhp club .
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1217201
20/05/2011 17:48
20/05/2011 17:48
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Marco20valveT
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well, what turbo do you have on at the moment that you call "stage 1"
im guessing its not the normal T28 hybrid LOL
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1217311
20/05/2011 23:43
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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20/05/2011 23:54
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1217505
21/05/2011 15:24
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Barbz
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Just to point out that the FC map caters for 1.6bar, so in theory it could be a couple of ponies shy of 500hp and possibly over 500hp on FC dyno, if Apexi allows.
Clutch is not holding very well at this level also.
Last edited by Barbz; 21/05/2011 15:26.
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
[Re: knight7660]
#1220743
28/05/2011 13:30
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Just a quick update from a personal experience on driving barbz's 'green hornet' beast; while mine is in for an update. It is the most brutal car I have personally driven. My cousins are well off to be polite, so I have driven Maserati's, all manner of Porsches and a fair few fast boy racers (inc. Nissan GTI-R, Elise etc). However the 'green hornet beast' (my term for it) accelerates like a phenom and goes like a rollercoaster. Just when you think you have a fast coop, try this and your heart resides in your throat, and the adrenaline flows like a river. and yes I feel like a pedestrian in my coop now..so my coop demands MORE POWER!!
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1240802
23/07/2011 16:06
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hi Barbz - i think you're (way) over your pm limit, i could do with a chat/pm exchange with you soon please sir!
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1241530
25/07/2011 20:59
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I have been in Barbz's monster too and despite having 3 boost leaks that were undetected on mapping it scared the life out of me. As did the driving No turbo lag at all. The engineering on that is second to non.
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1242252
27/07/2011 17:11
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well done barbz very good results
LE53 (452BHp & 389ftlb's with Quaife) Wine red VIS FOOFY Audi RS4 B7
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Re: Heartbreaker revisited!
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#1242270
27/07/2011 17:29
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hi Barbz - i think you're (way) over your pm limit, i could do with a chat/pm exchange with you soon please sir! Phone him proccers. Best way to contact him. Ross
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