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Guess the BHP!

Posted By: Trappy

Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 08:12

It’s been a while since I’ve seen one of these and, as my car is going in for some work, I thought I’d start one off. I’ve been prepping the car for this tune for about a year now – it’s been maintained ‘money no object’ mechanically and also had a full re-spray with re-furbished standard wheels fitted. There are a few niggly things that need fixing but the only relevant one here is a turbo that currently refuses to boost over 1.1bar… That will be fixed during the engine tune.

I’ve got a big box of parts to go in the boot before taking the old girl over to FC Performance Saturday, so I thought I’d throw it out there for you lot to have a guess at some numbers!

Current spec
Garrett GT2860RS 0.86
Wossner Standard Bore Forged Pistons
Balanced and Shot Peened Standard Rods
Forge DV007
Crankcase Breather
NGK 7 Spark Plugs
12v Fuel Pump Supply 'Wiring Mod'
V-band adapter
Pipecraft SS Cat-back 2.25" (standard bore) exhaust
Pipecraft SS De-cat pipe
A'PEXi Power Intake
Pro Alloy 'tapered' Straight Induction
Pro Alloy FMIC
Blitz SBC ID-3 spec R EBC (1.0-1.4Bar)

Current output @ 1.4bar (before turbo went a year ago)
342.4bhp @ 6,558rpm
294.9lbs/ft @ 5,378rpm
287.5whp @ 6,379rpm

Proposed spec
Hybrid GT28 (0.64 housing and custom compressor wheel)
Wossner Forged Pistons
Balanced and Shot Peened Standard Rods
Synapse Synchronic Diverter Valve
Crankcase Breather
NGK 8 Spark Plugs
12v Fuel Pump Supply 'Wiring Mod'
FC Performance 3” 5 stud turbo-back, twin silencer exhaust system
A'PEXi Power Intake (shiny new filter)
Pro Alloy 3” Straight Induction
Pro Alloy FMIC with custom shortened pipe route
FC Performance 3D boost control system
Walbro GSS340 255l fuel pump
440cc fuel injectors
Big MAF


One point to remember: the car will need to be limited to around 350-360lbs/ft due to the non-forged rods.

So, let’s have some estimated BHP numbers then!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 08:47

360bhp with 320lbft
Posted By: Hovedan

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 08:55

372 with 338lb/ft
Posted By: H_R

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 09:01

353bhp. 301lb ft
Posted By: H_R

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 10:48

Originally Posted By: H_R
353bhp. 301lb ft


Sorry realised I read the current spec not proposed spec, I'm sure you will get a fair bit more so if I may, I will guess 366bhp 330lbft hehe
Posted By: Mark_S

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 12:14

372 bhp with 333 lbft

Interesting to trade off move from decat to larger 3" plus silencer

Best of luck cool
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 13:15

Originally Posted By: Mark_S

Interesting to trade off move from decat to larger 3" plus silencer


How do you mean, Mark? The new 3" exhaust has no cat but needs two silencers being 3". The neighbours on one side happy as it is!

Chaps, if I get only 20bhp from this, I will be very unhappy!! As I understand it, the only difference between a GT28RS and a GT2871 is the compressor wheel though I could be wrong...
Posted By: magooagain

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 16:28

I would like to think you could get another 40hp mate. But it may need a bit more boost though! Which is not ideal as you stated.
I have the 3 inch full system from Flea including a cat and its not to loud at normal engine revs,but she is very harmonious when at full chat(which is most of the time).
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 16:45

Originally Posted By: magooagain
I would like to think you could get another 40hp mate. But it may need a bit more boost though! Which is not ideal as you stated.
I have the 3 inch full system from Flea including a cat and its not to loud at normal engine revs,but she is very harmonious when at full chat(which is most of the time).


Why is more boost not ideal? It was my understanding that pressure was the problem with pistons and torque was the limiting factor with rods. I've got forged pistons so I don't see why I can't increase boost to 1.6bar if it still makes more power. The rods are the weak point, but 350lbs/ft can still yield 400bhp at 6,000rpm. We’ve seen a GT2860RS with the 0.64 housing make 391bhp. Hell, a T28 hybrid made 410bhp 358lbs/ft before! I’m thinking north of 400bhp but I guess we’ll see in a few weeks. The most important thing is that it spools quickly again - I’d like to claw back some of that old GTiR hybrid magic!

magooagain, do you have any footage of your coop on which I could hear the exhaust?
Posted By: H_R

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 17:06

More boost equals more torque! So I was told anyway

I think torque is what you are more interested in really and you can get loads of that easily by turning up your boost it's more about how drivable it is and how safe!
Hope it goes really well for you and make sure you report back as I may be interested in changing the spec on mine slightly down pipe and exhaust wise

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Posted By: magooagain

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 17:53

Sorry mate i thought you wanted/needed to keep your boost at 1.4 bar hence my post.

Sorry no sound recording of mine at the mo.

Best of luck with the forthcoming work.
Posted By: stevo

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 18:58

I had a quote for similar work so I assume it could make over 400 bhp fairly easy... However this may have to be reigned in a bit to account for the weak point (your rods). So 390bhp 348ftlb.
Posted By: Flea

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 19:06

It's quite a nice turbo I have lined up for Trappy smile One that I designed on a Focus RS Mk1 that made 450bhp, albeit at 1.8bar, and it spools like GT28RS. However, what favours the Coupe is revs, and as we have a nicely balanced engine we can look to make more power with less boost. The icing on the cake will be the 3D boost control, with this we can control torque very easily, and with a 3-stage boost switch the best of everything is going to be available!
Posted By: stevo

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/08/2014 19:22

I am very interested to see the results. When is this work happening?
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 21/08/2014 08:09

Originally Posted By: stevo
I am very interested to see the results. When is this work happening?


It's going in this Saturday and I expect to be picking it up two weeks later. Results may come through before though...
Posted By: Begbie

Re: Guess the BHP! - 21/08/2014 11:27

The exhaust will make the biggest difference to your power output Trappy
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 21/08/2014 13:15

Originally Posted By: Begbie
The exhaust will make the biggest difference to your power output Trappy


Of that I have no doubt Begbie. From what i've seen, a proper 5 stud 3" system alone can unleash another 10% power throughout the rev band. The current SIP is also a restriction for the GT28RS as it is. Your guess is?
Posted By: Begbie

Re: Guess the BHP! - 21/08/2014 14:13

My guess? Not a clue laugh
Posted By: Mark_S

Re: Guess the BHP! - 21/08/2014 14:43

Lifting mine to 385bhp and 345lbft driving
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Guess the BHP! - 21/08/2014 21:15

End result or what flea winds it in to so you don't bend something?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Guess the BHP! - 21/08/2014 21:17

370 hs 340 ft lbs.
Posted By: stevo

Re: Guess the BHP! - 04/09/2014 11:01

Well any news?
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 04/09/2014 11:28

Originally Posted By: stevo
Well any news?


The went in originally for two weeks but has been delayed a few days so I’m now expecting to pick it up on Saturday 13th. The problems I started having with the turbo over a year ago have now been diagnosed. As Flea said:
- of the 4 turbo bolts, one was tight, two were loose and one was missing!
- the wastegate was cracked;
- the penny valve was seating properly;

I’ll be on here with the results as soon as I have them!
Posted By: magooagain

Re: Guess the BHP! - 14/09/2014 16:52

Its the 14th Trappy!
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 14/09/2014 18:25

Originally Posted By: magooagain
Its the 14th Trappy!


I'll post the results up as soon as I have them! I don't have them yet cry

It's been delayed another week so it looks like I'll be collecting it on Saturday 20th September instead now. I may get the results before then of course so I'll get them posted up as they come through.
Posted By: magooagain

Re: Guess the BHP! - 14/09/2014 23:07

Good luck with it mate.
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 19/09/2014 13:09

The headline figures are in and stevo is the winner with the closest guess at 390bhp wink

I'll post it all up when I have the dyno print (wbhp, rpms etc) so it all makes a bit more sense. It looks like I am collecting it tomorrow too, so I will post up the drive home experience as well smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Guess the BHP! - 19/09/2014 13:47

At last - nice one fella!!!
Posted By: Nigel

Re: Guess the BHP! - 19/09/2014 14:30

Originally Posted By: Trappy
The headline figures are in and stevo is the winner with the closest guess at 390bhp wink


On the basis that SteveO guessed 390 and someone else guessed 285, the actual figure must be above 395 - would be nice if it broke 400, although that's only for bragging rights

I imagine with that turbo, its going to be monstrous to drive - good spool-up and a wide power band - exactly what makes for a very quick Coupe

The drive home after a mapping session is always an event - the new power and torque is just sooooo addictive...
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 19/09/2014 15:26

Originally Posted By: Nigel

On the basis that SteveO guessed 390 and someone else guessed 385, the actual figure must be above 395 - would be nice if it broke 400, although that's only for bragging rights


Yes, it would be nice if it has broken 400bhp

Originally Posted By: Nigel

I imagine with that turbo, its going to be monstrous to drive - good spool-up and a wide power band - exactly what makes for a very quick Coupe


I certainly hope it will be ‘monstrous’! Nothing on how it drives from Leighton yet, just a ‘highlights’ text – sounds like he’s still up to the elbows in finishing it off.

From the figures, he’s definitely made good use of chip managed boost control. It must be a virtually flat torque curve! Very German V8 looking numbers…

Originally Posted By: Nigel

The drive home after a mapping session is always an event - the new power and torque is just sooooo addictive...


The only experience I have of this was when my hybrid was remapped from 262 to 292 and then again when the GT28RS went on – up to 315bhp. On both of those occasions it felt incredible. This is a much bigger upgrade so I’m certainly looking forward to the drive!

Posted By: H_R

Re: Guess the BHP! - 19/09/2014 16:39

Great you have got a decent result should hopefully make all the waiting worth it!

Just enjoy now! or tomorrow anyway! thumb
Posted By: Mark_S

Re: Guess the BHP! - 19/09/2014 20:08

Sweet cool
Posted By: stevo

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/09/2014 10:24

Does that mean I win your car now? :-). Have a great drive home... Be careful in the damp conditions. I bet it feels insane..
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/09/2014 19:02

So I'm back home now after collecting her today. I'll post some more up in more detail on Monday (when I have a computer and a phone to write on). For now, here are the headline figures:
Power 416bhp
Torque 328lbs/ft
Wheel power 368bhp

Great fun and looking even more standard than before! laugh
Posted By: H_R

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/09/2014 19:05

Fantastic just need to update your post signature now! biglaugh
Posted By: Mark_S

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/09/2014 19:06

Impressive thumb
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/09/2014 19:42

nice thumb
Posted By: stevo

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/09/2014 20:41

It's impressive to be able to get 70hp more from the same turbo, all be it Flead! Nice result and I would imagine a big step change in performance. I would love to know what the torque figure could have been.
Posted By: magooagain

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/09/2014 21:36

Well done Trappy. Must be a great feeling after so much effort and time.
Posted By: Nigel

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/09/2014 21:45

Originally Posted By: Trappy
For now, here are the headline figures:
Power 416bhp


Welcome to the 400+ club laugh

I know it would already have been pretty swift with 340-ish, but that extra 70 will make an amazing difference on the road

With 340, you'd be beaten by a late M3 or 911 - now you'll give them something to think about and probably even edge away at certain points

You mention it looks "more standard than ever" - have you been trying to keep it stock-looking?
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/09/2014 22:19

Originally Posted By: Nigel

Welcome to the 400+ club laugh


It's not as exclusive as it once was but thanks laugh

Originally Posted By: Nigel

With 340, you'd be beaten by a late M3 or 911 - now you'll give them something to think about and probably even edge away at certain points


Funny you should mention the 911. There appeared to be once of those certain points on the M25 earlier... wink

Originally Posted By: Nigel

You mention it looks "more standard than ever" - have you been trying to keep it stock-looking?


Yes, I have. It's starting to become a thing with everything I modify now.

The only exterior change here was the exhaust exit and it's now more discreet. Still a rolled 3" but now without the lip. It doesn't protrude as far either. I'd say it's quieter also. Of course being stainless, that might change but I'd say it nicer to be able to hear the induction, engine and turbo again rather than just the exhaust.
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 20/09/2014 22:22

Originally Posted By: magooagain
Well done Trappy. Must be a great feeling after so much effort and time.


Indeed it is! Leighton went through a number of maintenance items that will need to be addressed quite quickly but on the whole, it's definitely in better condition than it ever has in my hands now!
Posted By: Nigel

Re: Guess the BHP! - 21/09/2014 09:24

Glad to hear you're going for the standard look - I've been working hard to make mine look near-standard, even down to keeping a standard air box and intake piping (even though they aren't plumbed in). I also have all the additional cables threaded through OE plastic trunking, a black Forge dump valve, and my boost control unit hidden inside the false intake piping

I have a feeling that when I have it resprayed, I will probably have a set of standard wheels put back on

Are we mad?
Posted By: Flea

Re: Guess the BHP! - 21/09/2014 10:01

Trappy's car is really looking good now, very tidy throughout and solid underneath. I'll wait for his full feedback before I add my tuppence!
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 21/09/2014 10:08

Haha, loving the surplus plumbing under the bonnet. I must confess, I haven't gone for the standard look under the bonnet. It's got a lot of blue now! That reminds me, Leighton cleaned my engine while it was in. I can remember cleaning once and that was years ago. I got told off for that! It's looking great now! laugh

My idea of 'standard look' is more making it how it should / could have been from the factory. I like to change / improved things but so that a casual onlooker wouldn't know it wasn't meant to be like that. Some modifications (led lights, spoilers, body kits, gear knobs, wheels etc.) clearly look out of place.

Considering how much time we've had these cars and how much time and effort has gone in, I'd say being mad is a given!
Posted By: Trappy

Re: Guess the BHP! - 22/09/2014 11:33

Full report

The drive over
First of all, I’d like to give a big thanks to my buddy Jim (RockSteadyEddie on here) for taking the best part of Saturday to drive me up there in the loan car. He saved my bacon there and although he was well fed and watered all l day, I’m sure he had better things he could have been getting on with.

Arrival
I naturally had a quick nose around the car. I’d quite forgotten how good it looked actually. It was a bit grubby but then it hasn’t been washed for a while. I’ll get on that next weekend. A quick call to the wizard himself and he appeared in a puff of smoke (or rather he hobbled over) and started walking me around the car so I could see what he’d been up to.

The walk-around
The exhaust looked incredible. Really nicely made and still very shiny! Leighton told me that they’d spent a lot of time and effort building it to minimise the boomy nature of a poorly made 3” system at this point. The short route piping for the FMIC looks very professionally done. Opening the bonnet, it was obvious that a fair amount of work had occurred here too; looks of shiny metal on the turbo, diverter valve and new SIP, a new APex’i Power Intake and lots of blue stuff. In fairness it should have been before – it was just filthy! He’d cleaned it all up and told me off for leaving it in such a state. I’ll try to keep on top of this now!

Next was the interior where the new missile switch was fitted. It now has three channels:

  • High boost (which is the default down setting). 1.5 bar trailing to 1.4 bar
  • Low boost 1.2bar right through
  • ‘Supercharger’ setting. This is something that you simply cannot manage with a traditional boost controller. This starts out at around 1.1bar and ramps up to 1.3bar at the redline (if memory serves), the boost increasing with rpms like a supercharger. The idea is an even more progressive delivery for wet weather. I haven’t used it yet but it will be interesting and, I’m sure, very useful in the coming months. I’ll report back on this when I’ve put it to use.

Feedback from Leighton
At this point, Leighton took me through some of the problems he faced in tuning my car. It is good to know that it isn’t just me that this car hates! He will be sending me a list of those problems that he couldn’t / didn’t need to fix so I can start working through them, but the ‘highlights’ included a dodgy air-con system that was always ‘on’, some of my dodgy attempts at wiring, brakes pads that were almost gone (new Pagid Grey RS15s already on now!) and a number of engine mount bolts that were missing. He did say that the cockpit did receive a fair amount of vibration from the Vibra-Technics fast road mounts. So much in fact, that he’s made the decision to not fit them to his based on this experience (I think this is just age related though…).

On a more positive note, he did say that mine appears to be in particularly good condition underneath and that, overall, it’s becoming of the better examples he’s seen /smug.

Driving away
Having parted with some money, I trundled off with Jim now in the passenger seat. Off the bat, I couldn’t believe just how coarse the car felt. Around the hilly roads of that part of Bristol, it was creaking and groaning and everything was rattling. As it turned out when I got home, this was all due to the old parts – it was lovely and quiet when cleared out! The car did feel a lot more raw in terms of engine vibration also but this was due to me having been in the Alfa loan car and Emily’s 350Z for the last 4 weeks. Now I’m using the Coop again, it feels great again!

What did it feel like to drive?
After pootling through Bristol and then finally getting some fuel in her for the drive home, we pulled onto the motorway. Before opening it up, I just gave it a little squirt and… not much happened. I said to Jim “this doesn’t feel much faster at all?”. A few minutes later, traffic cleared and I tried again, with a little more throttle. It was only at this point that I realised that the throttle pedal now has an analogue function! The old digital 10% throttle = 85% power has no gone. I hadn’t appreciated how long the pedal travel is before! Full throttle in third gear and it was off! Into fourth and it just kept pulling. This was more like it.

So it clearly goes in a straight line and the rest of the mostly Motorway drive home was pretty clear and it was just trundling along. At motorway speeds / revs it felt so smooth and refined managing motorways speeds without apparent effort. And no boomy drone at all – very impressive!

Back home where I now on low speed roads I know well, I quickly noticed another huge improvement. The now analogue boost delivery seems to work in reverse also. Where before a slight lift off would result in a jolt as the turbo stopped spinning, now it winds down progressively. I can now lift off mid bend without the car bucking around. Mid corner and this was a recipe for lift-off over steer. I haven’t really pressed on as the brakes were either shot or so new I can’t yet use them in anger, but I expect it will be a lot sweeter to play with.

What does it sound like?
This was of course something I was going to be paying careful attention to. For me, these cars are first about looks and then noise, and I’m very impressed with how it sounds now. To a certain extent the grumbly 5 pot warble and flat out rumble has largely gone. It’s no-where near as ‘angry’ as it was before instead sounding for more mature and… potent. You somehow get a sense of a huge volume of air being processed – it’s all sucking induction, whooshing turbo and jet engine exhaust. It sounds like a piece of machinery that just does the job it needs to without any needless fuss. It also doesn’t pop and fart at all. Has it lost some of the previous character? Possibly, but it’s adopted a much more OE, refined and serious personality. I’m falling in love with it already. The new Synapse Synchronic Diverter Valve should really have a mention here. Leighton said it worked very well in its primary function of aiding the turbo while holding boost. It isn’t ‘dumping’ as crisply as it should yet and I will be tweaking it to this end, but it too generates a much more serious noise. A higher pitched faster psst! Rather than a rattle snake of a thing like the Forge DV007 did. Again, this is very much to my liking!

Hot start
If there is one thing that isn’t ‘perfect’, Leighton said it can take a bit of throttle sometimes to get it started when hot but, in my hands, it’s only done it once so far and that was at the services on the way home. Another 10 or so hot starts since and it’s been perfect. Honestly, if he hadn’t said it might do that occasionally, I wouldn’t really have noticed! It also settles on a rock solid idle from the get-go which it never used to. Yet another example of moving away from that modified feel to OE that can be lost when upping the power.

The ultimate test
I’m really looking forward to the misses trying it out. When she used to drive it and wasn’t used to having to constantly blip the throttle to stop it stalling, it would always stall. She would get annoyed with it and we’d end up swapping over. Now it’ll be lot easier for her to drive, the throttle controlled boost will stop it being on/off power, it won’t keep stalling and it won’t get away from her on the low boost setting t 377bhp. She drives a rev-up 350Z (296bhp) so is used to a fair amount of grunt but it is a complete pussycat compared to my Coop’s previous lag…lag/full boost delivery before.

Summary
Overall it is a much more polished and complete package. Aside from the sometimes awkward hot start (that I’m not even sure really is a problem), it is just better in every conceivable way. Oh, and it goes like the flaming clappers!

In closing, I’ll get Leighton to post up the dyno charts. He has one showing all three boost channels and another showing the before and after chart. This will put things in persective!

Over to you then Leighton!!
Posted By: magooagain

Re: Guess the BHP! - 22/09/2014 17:04

I think the only thing our coupes have in common is the Exhaust Trappy,although yours may be de cated.

I have heat wrapped the down pipe and is generally run at very high revs.

Its now a bit louder from when it was new but still not boomy. I like to get close to the pit wall as i am going up through the box,it sounds great. or as a French pal said its very melodical.

Glad your enjoying it.
Posted By: Flea

Re: Guess the BHP! - 22/09/2014 20:06

Not sure I can add too much more, just a few technical details and some good old pics smile

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Standard and looking very nice.

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Spot the missile boost switch, that’s where the party starts!

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Now looking clean and dandy, no charge either!

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Business end, this FC turbo deliver’s on both ends. Fast spool and big top end. It could go to 450bhp no problem…

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The exhaust is critical for performance, but it needs to look and sound right for each customer’s requirements. A full FC 3” 5-stud exhaust with twin silencers and a roled 3” tip.

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FC Cambelt guard! A lot of investment into this engine, not going to let a £12 belt cause problems…


So to the power, well the brief was 400bhp+ and this was no problem despite being dictated to by the set-up. Ryan has forged pistons so good for boost, but standard rods (shot peened for extra strength) limit the torque and revs. The standard rod bolts were my biggest concern, so I have capped the torque and peak revs, but while limited we can still make it sing with good tuning.

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1.5bar - 1.4bar
416bhp @ 7133rpm
328lbs/ft @ 5638rpm
368 wheel power @ 7029rpm


We have introduced full 3D boost control on a 3-stage boost switch. Unlike a traditional electronic boost controller, we now have full control according to throttle position and rpm. This means the right foot has full control when driving, and it allows very specific control over torque and power when mapping the car. We can take this further with the boost switch maps, one for full on power, one for lower power, and the other that gives maximum traction as it comes on boost (no torque to overwhelm the tyres), but power and torque builds fully to the redline. Even in wet conditions this setting will give good traction and allow maximum return from the engine.

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A quick comparison to the old set-up. Ryan thought he had a 0.86 exhaust housing, but it was actually the smaller 0.64. The smaller the housing the quicker the turbo spool, although depending on set-up there can be a trade of at the top end for power. The previous graph was from 2009, and since that time the old turbo housing suffered with a significant crack through the scroll and wastegate seat. This was causing boost problems, so part of the turbo upgrade was to replace with a new 0.64 housing. The rest of the turbo is much bigger in real terms compared to the GT28RS, but it is much more efficient and very little is lost low down compared to the gains above 3500rpm to the redline. No surge despite the fast spool, this is what makes a car driveable and powerful. The new set-up on the road is giving more from just over 3000 and it is still making peak power at the limiter! If we could raise the revs (and boost!) further then power would keep climbing, but as it is there is a massive powerband with torque being controlled all the way.

Ryan contacted me quite a few months back with his ideas, I let him know what we could achieve with various set-ups, and then shaped them into the result we have now. I am glad he made certain decisions, because the older I get the more I am looking to achieve maximum driveability with power. Bolting on a “big” turbo is easy, but big power with response/good low torque and control is much more difficult.

It’s great to see a Coupe growing and getting better with the owner, go get ‘em Trappy!
Posted By: technics

Re: Guess the BHP! - 22/09/2014 20:14

Sounds like a very nice set up, missing my old coop when I read things like this!
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