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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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09/06/2006 19:26
09/06/2006 19:26
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Temperature seems to effect my blitz controller. My current blitz ratio setting shows 1.2bar on my greddy boost guage when the weather is cold/cool, but drops to show only 1.1bar when its warm/hot. I don't mind as it is almost like a safety feature, (hot weather and it gives less boost, cold weather and it gives more).
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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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09/06/2006 19:52
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Anybody done any runs in the winter and in the summer to compare power output?
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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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10/06/2006 01:26
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temperature makes a significant difference.
At 0C, 1000mb, 0C dewpoint, the density is 1.2724kg/m3; at 30C it's 1.1465kg/m3 - a percentage difference of close to 11% - and that related *directly* to output power.
Neil
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Nope gone right over my head
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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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10/06/2006 04:08
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I have turned my boost down to 16psi, so round 1.1 bar today. already iv noticed that my air temps are about 10oC less than at 1.3bar max, 1.2bar sustained.
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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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10/06/2006 04:11
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temperature makes a significant difference.
I think I get the jist
Nope gone right over my head
Graham, just get Stuart to explain it to you:
warm = slow, cold = fast
Neil
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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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11/06/2006 01:45
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My car is a lot slower on hot days. It will only boost to 0.8bar most of the time. On a cold day it will boost to 1.2-1.3. And I have a mechanical boost controller.
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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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12/06/2006 17:48
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My car is a lot slower on hot days. It will only boost to 0.8bar most of the time. On a cold day it will boost to 1.2-1.3. And I have a mechanical boost controller.
...which seems to add to the original temperature effect. The suggestion was that it will still boost to 1.2 bar, but at that temperature less air will be induced. Now, if you are right, the effect of warm air is even more marked.
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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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12/06/2006 17:56
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I have a HKS EBC,and from winter to now summer I had to increase the percentage by quite some before i ended up running at my desired 1.0 bar boost...It works by percentage, I believe I ran at 42 in winter while now i am at 54!!
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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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12/06/2006 18:39
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Definitely a better intercooler will reduce the difference!! I ran last summer on standard IC and my car was dead, now with the fmic is not so noticeable the difference, but enought to be felt!
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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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12/06/2006 22:13
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yup. Not as good as the Pro Alloy FMIC though.
Sideways a LOT
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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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13/06/2006 02:03
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My car is a lot slower on hot days. It will only boost to 0.8bar most of the time. On a cold day it will boost to 1.2-1.3. And I have a mechanical boost controller.
...which seems to add to the original temperature effect. The suggestion was that it will still boost to 1.2 bar, but at that temperature less air will be induced. Now, if you are right, the effect of warm air is even more marked.
False alarm.. I took my car out at night when it was cooler and the boost was till too low, so I looked at the boost controller and the Bolt had come loose. So I adjusted it back to 1.2 bar, and the car goes almost as well as it did before now.
Also I have another theory.. How many people are using normal clear plastic tubing on their boost gauges? Maybe the higher ambient temperature causes the tube to expand more under boost causing lower readings?
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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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13/06/2006 18:10
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Definitely a better intercooler will reduce the difference!! I ran last summer on standard IC and my car was dead, now with the fmic is not so noticeable the difference, but enought to be felt!
255bhp... dead??
UUhh mmmm...
Reports of your Coupe's death were greatly exaggerated
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Re: Weather - any affect on performance???
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15/06/2006 05:07
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Whittler raises one of the most valid points here guys. As all ya techno guys are missing the bigger picture. That is, in the ecu's map, high intake temps call for reduced boost, reduced ignition advance (it retards), and maybe even addition fueling to act as a coolant, thus causing a less than perfect burn. Of course all of you have made valid points, and if the ecu was still trying to run at full bore then these are the things we'd be talking about. I hope no-one misunderstands me as you are all correct, Im just pointing out the the number one reason why we want ACT's (ait charge temps) low is to take full of advantage of the ecu's fuel and ignition mapping !!! As the ecu and the person who wrote the map, knew everything you guy's are saying hence the ecu's decision to alter the fueling, timing etc due to the lack of "density" in the air charge !! Then after that has been acheived of course we want dense charge entering the engine as this has the effect of increasing the capacity for the same given volume at the same given boost pressure. Similar effect is true with normally aspirated, cold air is denser.... More air + addtional fuel = more power Defo more noticable generally on turbo engines !!! Remeber it's not an explosion in the engine that creates our torque (and BHP), in fact an explosion is in fact detonation. It is the burn of fuel in the fuel/air mix that creates heat. That heat in turn causes the air to expand forcing the piston down. So it's obvious that the denser the air, the more air we have to expand, this is why turbo'd engines are so power full, as the boost is already trying to expand before we've even super heated it to create that agrresive exspansion to send the piston downwards on it's power stroke !!
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