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Renovation #1601182
23/05/2017 17:46
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I have inherited my mothers coupe 20vt
It has done 22k
Hasn't been on the road since 2012
Had quote today for complete renovation.. includes complete respray, all belts,clutch,
Alternator,wheels refurb, pads,discs, tyres,caliper refurb, led rear light upgrade, new alarm. Engine service. A/C overhaul,In fact anything that's broken.

Is £8000 a fair price

Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601183
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That is difficult to reply to fully without knowing more. If it includes a full respray and all the other things it could be reasonable but there is also the question about whether all those things would need doing if it has only done 22k miles. The alternator, for example - why does it need fixing?

Who has quoted you? If you haven't already done so it would be good to get a price from one of the Coupe specialists rather than a more general garage.

Whatever you do it will be great to get another Coupe back on the road and with only 22k miles it should be good!


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601191
23/05/2017 19:04
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Nice to see low milage cars still popping out from the mist. Personally i'm baffled why anyone would restore a low milage car? Its great to see them preserved for what it is. A painted cars a ten a penny, you can't buy originality.

With that milage, only been sat for a while, can't see it needing a clutch? Parts for these cars i find reasonable, many jobs you could do yourself.

Price wise, all you list can be done for way less than 4k. What would you spend 8k on? Well, you could spend it things it didn't need or want but why?

Throw a cover over it and forget it, spend the 8k on an already sorted car or something else you favour. I can't get my head round these high resto cost.

The black LE I have for sale had been off the road for the same amount of time, everything has been done, looks like it came out of a box and cost under 2k to do.

Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601194
23/05/2017 19:16
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Do you want to keep it? Are you selling it on? This may have some bearing on what you do to the car or how much you want to shell out on it.

Restoration? Has it rust issues, boot seam, rear quarters, sills?

How about getting the basics done to get it roadworthy full service with belts, maybe be new pads and discs.....£8K apart from sentimental (which I understand) you have the money to buy from the cream of the crop of Fiat Coupe's on sale

Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601197
23/05/2017 19:20
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Av classics in Bedford.
They seem very thorough.
Will take five weeks

I don't know any coupe specialists around north London ?

I'm a new member !

Cheers

Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601198
23/05/2017 19:23
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I'd only consider spending that sort of money if I knew I'd be keeping her for a decade or two and I'd focus on preventing rust more than anything else.

But a good quality respray £2.5k, underselling, wheel refurbishment, belts £500, brakes, bushes, hoses, engine and gearbox oil, flush, maybe some CV boots and other bits maybe another couple of grand. Not sure where the other £3k is going. And as stated in other replies, half this stuff won't need doing on a 22k miler.


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601201
23/05/2017 19:49
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You maybe right
Definitely needs respray
Boot lid dented, p/door dents and a few scuff , bonnet has been resprayed and looks different.
It wasn't washed and hasn't been covered for years.
No rust though.
My mum bought it with 9k on clock , she put on 11k in 10 years.
I love driving it..

Re alternator.. started first time , left it idling for 5 mins then decided to check electrics turned fan on ... it started pulsing then battery light flashed on and off .. Battery flat .

Thanks for advice

Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601210
23/05/2017 21:35
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It would probably be advisable not to restart again until you have had the belts done.

No need to get everything done in one place, for belts you have PowerItalia in Basildon (assuming they are still there, I haven't been for a while) or take it a little further to one of the other specialists such as FCSS. They will also sort out brakes and other running gear. You can then use a really good body shop to get the panels fixed and painted.


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Re: Renovation [Re: andyps] #1601212
23/05/2017 21:56
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Originally Posted By andyps
It would probably be advisable not to restart again until you have had the belts done.

No need to get everything done in one place, for belts you have PowerItalia in Basildon (assuming they are still there, I haven't been for a while) or take it a little further to one of the other specialists such as FCSS. They will also sort out brakes and other running gear. You can then use a really good body shop to get the panels fixed and painted.


Agree with this. Take it in to power developments in basildon for belts etc and a good once over.

Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601223
24/05/2017 06:30
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Need to change oil urgently too. It'll be extremely acidic by now.


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601236
24/05/2017 09:49
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Solo Italia near Oxford did a great job of recommissioning my Coupe in 2013. Wouldn't be too far for you, a nice day trip.


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601237
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Oh! Just realised it's not a runner. Not sure what it would cost to have it taken that far. It cost £100 to have mine collected from Newbury, about 30 miles.


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601239
24/05/2017 09:55
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I'm surprised it needs a clutch at such low miles. Sounds like they are trying to extract maximum ££££s from this job! Take it to Rick (Solo Italia), he is totally trustworthy. At least get a second opinion from another garage before you spend mega bucks.


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601240
24/05/2017 09:58
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Yes, +1 for all the previous comments for taking it to a specialist.


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601242
24/05/2017 09:59
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It might just need a new battery. My alternator is actually cracked and it still works.


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601243
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Really you only need tyres and brakes and a full service plus the belts and a battery. I agree that a respray is not essential. Why not get the minimum done and then drive it for a bit and then see what you'd like to have done later?
I would avoid that garage that quoted £8,000, seems like they are taking advantage. You could phone Rick just for a chat about it. He's a great guy, often does extra bits at no charge. 01993 701010


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601248
24/05/2017 10:24
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In terms of transport it cost me about £150 to get my Coupe taken from Preston down to FCSS (Shropshire) earlier this year so it is only a small price to pay in relation to the overall cost you are contemplating, particularly to get jobs like the belts done by someone who really knows what they are doing with them.


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601250
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Rick charges about £300 for belts.


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601258
24/05/2017 10:49
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It also needs a thorough inspection in all the usual areas suspect to corrosion.. It may only have 22k on the clock but it's still 20 years old.


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601269
24/05/2017 11:38
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From a distance and having never seen the car, it is hard to know whether 8k is expensive or not. Good restoration is very expensive and the majority of the cost will be contained there. Maybe some parts don't need changing, but if they are stripping the car to do welding and painting, may be dropping in a few new parts is just hoping to avoid doing them in a year or two's time. The question is of the "how long is a piece of string" type. So it depends if the OP wants the car to run OK or if he wants it to be as close to new condition as is possible without going mad.


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601298
24/05/2017 14:34
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Thank you all
Very interesting...
Having another quote today.
From an Alfa/fiat specialist, very local.
Good garage when I had my GTV ( years ago )

On another topic , can you buy the LED rear light upgrade off the shelf ?
If so where.

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Not sure about those who say it shouldn't need this and shouldn't need that! The fact of the matter is that these cars are coming up 20 years old if not already 20 and regardless of mileage age just like everything else. My coupe had less that 31,000 on the clock and had one now retired tax inspector owner for the last 17 years and kept in a garage. Within a week the clutch was slipping and the turbo smoking more than an Amsterdam coffee house.......Why? Lack of use and parts seized up etc. I spent £21k on my nuts and bolts restoration on top of the £8k purchase price and that was absolutely everything replaced apart from the engine itself, so I can see how easy it would be to tot up £8k. That said and someone just said it above in this post, I intend keeping mine for the next 3 decades or so, if I live that long so it's a lifer!

If you feel it's worth the investment for personal use and not to try and make money (you will never claw back your investment), then I say go for it and happy safe driving thumb

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Re: Renovation [Re: Clintos] #1601302
24/05/2017 14:53
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Originally Posted By Clintos
Not sure about those who say it shouldn't need this and shouldn't need that! The fact of the matter is that these cars are coming up 20 years old if not already 20 and regardless of mileage age just like everything else. My coupe had less that 31,000 on the clock and had one now retired tax inspector owner for the last 17 years and kept in a garage. Within a week the clutch was slipping and the turbo smoking more than an Amsterdam coffee house.......Why? Lack of use and parts seized up etc. I spent £21k on my nuts and bolts restoration on top of the £8k purchase price and that was absolutely everything replaced apart from the engine itself, so I can see how easy it would be to tot up £8k. That said and someone just said it above in this post, I intend keeping mine for the next 3 decades or so, if I live that long so it's a lifer!

If you feel it's worth the investment for personal use and not to try and make money (you will never claw back your investment), then I say go for it and happy safe driving thumb
I would echo your thought Clintos, my coop only has 36000 but had hidden corrosion issues that I wanted sorting out. The work JBT has done for me wasn't cheap but will help the car stay on the roads years into the future and is worth it to me. It's a subjective thing so lots of opinions but ultimately what is best for the individual


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601306
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Originally Posted By Mr_wiggle
Thank you all
Very interesting...
Having another quote today.
From an Alfa/fiat specialist, very local.
Good garage when I had my GTV ( years ago )



Here's a test....

....ask them how they're going to change the belts


If the answer is "engine out" then you're looking at a possible £800+ extra for the labour - there's a good chance they don't understand coupes that well too.

I understand your desire to keep the work as local as possible but as has been said on here countless times you're better with a specialist that understands the coupe's idiosyncracies.


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Re: Renovation [Re: Edinburgh] #1601308
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Originally Posted By Edinburgh
It also needs a thorough inspection in all the usual areas suspect to corrosion.. It may only have 22k on the clock but it's still 20 years old.



Exactly thumb


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601313
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Oh! I didn't realise clutch could seize up on a parked Coupe.


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Re: Renovation [Re: AnnieMac] #1601362
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Originally Posted By AnnieMac
Oh! I didn't realise clutch could seize up on a parked Coupe.


Clutch plates can seize onto flywheel and cylinders can seize too, not to mention the bearings. Anything with moving parts can seize and not using a car can present more issues than driving one daily


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Re: Renovation [Re: Clintos] #1601453
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Can you show us some photos of this car? yipee


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Re: Renovation [Re: Radicz] #1601458
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Originally Posted By Radicz
Can you show us some photos of this car? yipee


I second that thumb


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Re: Renovation [Re: ] #1601483
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thats a good test question, Simon...

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