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MOT changes coming in May
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22/01/2018 17:53
22/01/2018 17:53
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GrahamL
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Advisories are being replaced with minor fails. These are all pre-written & approved by DVSA. You will still get a pass but they will be noted on your test certificate. Manual advisories are still being worked out but may disappear completely.
If HIDs have been fitted to standard headlights they will now get a major fail even if the aim is correctly adjusted. The MOT is now in line with current legislation which prohibits that conversion.
Reverse lights are now part of the MOT for any car registered from 1st September 2009 (59 plate onwards). Daytime running lamps (DRL's) & front fog lamps must work on vehicles registered from March 2018 (18 plate onwards).
The engine management warning light is now subject to testing and a major fail. It must come on with the ignition and then turn off when the engine is started.
Brake wear warning lights are a major fail
Handbrake with excessive travel is now a major fail. Before it would only a fail if there was no reserve travel.
Contaminated (dirty) brake fluid is a major fail. Not sure how that will work as the MOT tester isn't allowed to remove the fluid cap.
Oil leaks (engine, gearbox etc.) can be a major failure if they are deemed large enough.
It seems the failure for tyres not being fitted according to sidewall instructions has been removed. Inner/outer or rotation incorrect.
Any modifications/removal to emissions related devices, this includes DPF'S and EGR's is now a major fail.
Where a DPF canister has clearly been cut open and re-welded, it will now fail.
A vehicle fitted with a DPF that emits any kind of visible smoke during the metered test will now fail
Emissions limits for diesels registered on or after 1st of January 2014 have been reduced. All diesels will now need to pass the limit that was set by the manufacturer when the car was new. This can be found on the VIN plate. For example the current limit for your diesel car may be 1. 50. That could change to as low as 0. 30 with the new rules.
Sounds like every coupe will fail on the "handbrake excessive travel" clause. If you have a HID conversion that may be a problem too, as they've now added the following clause : Some vehicles may be fitted with High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps. It is not permitted to convert existing halogen headlamp units for use with HID bulbs. If it is clear that such a conversion has been carried out, rather than replacing the entire unit with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs, the headlamp should be rejected.
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
[Re: robcal]
#1614846
23/01/2018 01:06
23/01/2018 01:06
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GrahamL
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Will the HIDs guidance apply to LEDs too? Not sure, but have read opinion on another forum that it will.
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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23/01/2018 08:21
23/01/2018 08:21
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Probably as the legal point will be the "approved" part and not specifically the HID conversion. If you change something significant, it is no longer an approved part.
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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23/01/2018 11:36
23/01/2018 11:36
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MOT heck list:
1) tighten up handbrake cable (tap extra thread if required) 2) replace halogen bulbs (leaving ballast in place) 3) replace catalytic converter 4) smear black oil and dust onto brake fluid reservoir 5) replace show plates for real ones 6) ...
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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#1614871
23/01/2018 15:40
23/01/2018 15:40
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DaveG
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For 1) I usually
a) loosen rear wheel bolts, jack up car or reverse onto ramps, chock front wheels, support rear axle on stands, leave in gear b) slacken off handbrake and remove cables, remove rear wheels c) check rubber bellows on handbrake cables, pour oil down cable at both ends, replace cables if necessary d) remove rear calipers and pads, screw pistons back in, inspect and clean or replace items as required e) re-grease slider pins with correct grease* f) re-assemble everything, pump brake pedal a few times to reset rear pistons g) tighten handbrake cable so it needs 3-4 clicks h) take it for a drive, testing handbrake and brakes, make sure rear discs get some heat in them to prove they are working
You get the idea.
* see recent post on this topic, copper grease not ideal
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
[Re: DaveG]
#1614903
23/01/2018 21:27
23/01/2018 21:27
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For 1) I usually
a) loosen rear wheel bolts, jack up car or reverse onto ramps, chock front wheels, support rear axle on stands, leave in gear b) slacken off handbrake and remove cables, remove rear wheels c) check rubber bellows on handbrake cables, pour oil down cable at both ends, replace cables if necessary d) remove rear calipers and pads, screw pistons back in, inspect and clean or replace items as required e) re-grease slider pins with correct grease* f) re-assemble everything, pump brake pedal a few times to reset rear pistons g) tighten handbrake cable so it needs 3-4 clicks h) take it for a drive, testing handbrake and brakes, make sure rear discs get some heat in them to prove they are working
You get the idea.
* see recent post on this topic, copper grease not ideal This is me every February
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
[Re: Gunzi]
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23/01/2018 22:40
23/01/2018 22:40
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For 1) I usually
a) loosen rear wheel bolts, jack up car or reverse onto ramps, chock front wheels, support rear axle on stands, leave in gear b) slacken off handbrake and remove cables, remove rear wheels c) check rubber bellows on handbrake cables, pour oil down cable at both ends, replace cables if necessary d) remove rear calipers and pads, screw pistons back in, inspect and clean or replace items as required e) re-grease slider pins with correct grease* f) re-assemble everything, pump brake pedal a few times to reset rear pistons g) tighten handbrake cable so it needs 3-4 clicks h) take it for a drive, testing handbrake and brakes, make sure rear discs get some heat in them to prove they are working
You get the idea.
* see recent post on this topic, copper grease not ideal This is me every February day A bit more realistic..
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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#1614923
24/01/2018 13:47
24/01/2018 13:47
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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#1614947
24/01/2018 21:12
24/01/2018 21:12
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pstruck
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It's this kind of thing that worries me and has me faltering in my quest to buy another coupe. I guess with any older car it will be the same, in that keeping it road legal will become more challenging and costly. Maybe I should re-think my weekend-car plans, but then there's not much else out there I'd rather have.
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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#1614956
25/01/2018 00:28
25/01/2018 00:28
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DaveG
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Just SORN it for the next 20 years and hope that the current 40 year exemption keeps rolling over each year...
1996 Portofino 20vt & 2000 Pearl White Plus 1985½ & 2016 2017 Fiat 124 Spider + XF Sportbrake
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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#1614975
25/01/2018 14:52
25/01/2018 14:52
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Mine just failed its MOT due to the LED lights I installed, I should of swap them for the original's.
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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#1614978
25/01/2018 15:17
25/01/2018 15:17
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Quick question about the LED lights. Are the easy to swap out?
I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
[Re: Freddie]
#1614979
25/01/2018 15:42
25/01/2018 15:42
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Mine just failed its MOT due to the LED lights I installed What was the reason for the failure? The changes talked about above (and the paragraph in the MOT Tester's Manual saying " It is not permitted to convert existing halogen headlamp units for use with HID bulbs" is only supposed to be effective from May 2018?
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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25/01/2018 15:57
25/01/2018 15:57
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I would think for incompatibility with halogen headlamp bulb type and base rating/no type approval rating?
Doris the 1998 Portofino Blue 20V and Zoe the 1999 Alfa Romeo 916 Spider Bog standard needn't be boring...
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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25/01/2018 18:05
25/01/2018 18:05
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But the bit about light source and lamp being not compatible is one of the new changes effective May 2018 (section 4.1.4 c), and the manual says headlamps "may carry a European approval mark" (as a means to identify a "European" type headlight beam pattern) but not that they must have such a mark.
My question was to see whether Freddie's car had been failed according to the new changed rules, or according to the existing rules...
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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25/01/2018 21:53
25/01/2018 21:53
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found this seems quite useful but still grey areas I was thinking of retrofitting some oem hella hid projectors in place of original projector pending fitment this link sort of says it would pass but still a grey area?? It also sort of clears up LED lamps as totally illegal (not complying to eu law) https://greyhead.co.uk/other-things/are-aftermarket-hid-lights-legal-uk
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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26/01/2018 21:32
26/01/2018 21:32
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The LED lights I fitted weren't given out a "proper" pattern thats why it failed the MOT, so my mechanic changed them to the original lights which were fine plus I had some rear brakes issues which he sorted out and a service and other bits, but all good now,When the summer comes I will have a go at taking the light covers off and give them a good clean as I'm not that happy with the LED lights I thought they would give a much brighter light, I suppose the reflectors are dirty.
Freddie
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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27/01/2018 08:12
27/01/2018 08:12
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I'd gone back to halogens - GE Megalight Ultra - on the last Bravo, and replaced the standard bulbs on this Bravo with them as first thing. With a light meter in the hot spot, they were four times as bright (two stops) as the HDIs I took out, and although unmeasured, they're significantly brighter than the ones I swapped 'em for on this bravo. They're expensive - though Halfords have them on a bogof at the moment (and their own brand +50% are half the price and probably identical, but no bogof ) so not too bad. http://www.halfords.com/motoring/bulbs-b...dlight-bulb-x-1I'll be pulling the gloomy-with-age HDIs off the coupe this morning before it goes for an MOT next month. Before the rule change, I know, but I've never been terribly happy with them. (As an aside - the obvious maneouvre is to swap standard bulbs in for the test and replace them afterwards. I wonder if there will be extra enforcement from the Police on bulb colour? There seem to be so few on the roads these days that it's hard to see how they'd spend the manpower - though something must be happening because I see a *lot* fewer prats who think that foglights are a good idea...)
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
[Re: H_R]
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07/02/2018 21:51
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I have brought a pair of Osram nighbreaker unlimited will give them a try as soon as my headlight has been refurbed They have all the usual hype of 110% more light 35metres more light on road blah blah blah blah Will compare to my hids Have the night breakers in mine on dipped and full beam. Impressive light for a halogen.
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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02/04/2018 21:28
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Re: MOT changes coming in May
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03/04/2018 12:24
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This could be interesting for Coupe owners. New checks are set to be introduced across Britain on May 20. These include:
for fluid leaks posing an environmental risk brake pad warning lights and if brake pads or discs are missing My brake pad sensors were corroded and the connectors missing, how knows whether the light worked but how would they test it? How much oil contamination on the sump constitutes an environmental risk?
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