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What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? #1023416
20/04/2010 13:35
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I've seen one advertised. 1 owner, Genuine 30,000 miles with recent cambelt and clutch. It has AC and leather.
Any idea what the going price should be for this as the garage is asking £4,500.
Thanks

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1023419
20/04/2010 13:41
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imho that's about £1k too much. i know it's low mileage and all that and it appears to be properly maintained. for less than half that i'd go either for porkypauls well-sorted 20vt or the red le that's just been put on for £4k

disclaimer - i'm the worst judge of cars in the history of mankind, my bank will testify to this frown

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1023421
20/04/2010 13:45
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Hmm 12 years of never warming up stop start little trips? Hence the need for a clutch I expect.

Mileage is irrelevant really. Condition and history is everything. For that price it needs to be absolutely mint in every way, including every service invoice and old MoT. And that really should be the third cambelt since new that's just been fitted.

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1023422
20/04/2010 13:46
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Glad to see we agree as I think it's about £1000 too much. It is a garage mind so that increases the price.

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1023424
20/04/2010 13:50
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If it's local ie by the sea, not used much, then hidden rust might be a real issue.

Check the bolt-on panel that runs under the radiator: if it's solid and rustfree then the car's a goodun.

And I'll eat my hat.

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1023541
20/04/2010 16:22
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Is that the yellow one from the Channel Islands by any chance?


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Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1023553
20/04/2010 16:28
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No it's Portofino Blue one for sale in Leatherhead.

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1023563
20/04/2010 17:01
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Reckon about 1.5k too much. As others have said don't get drawn in just because the miles are low. What has been replaced is more important as age is just as hard as use.

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1023714
20/04/2010 20:52
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I wouldnt say 1.5K too much, maybe 1K too much, at the most.
I remember seeing pics of this on another thread and the interior looked brand new! love
Regardless of how many new cambelts it should of had, at least it has a new one now, plus a new clutch.

Definately worth a look and test drive, then let him smell 3.5K cash, wave it under his nose.


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Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: technics] #1023884
21/04/2010 08:47
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I wouldn't pay that much for a standard 20VT if it came with free porn..........correct me if I'm wrong but the average mileage for coops on this site is probably around 100,000 and if you buy a 20VT from a forum memebr who's looked after it, it will be better than something thats only done 30,000.

Decent well looked after 20VT's on this forum go for around £3k which in my opinion is a much better investment.

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1024252
21/04/2010 19:47
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Originally Posted By: djmobi
.........correct me if I'm wrong but the average mileage for coops on this site is probably around 100,000 and if you buy a 20VT from a forum memebr who's looked after it, it will be better than something thats only done 30,000.

Your wrong as...
you're presuming that;
(a)Just because the owner isn't on the forum
and
(b)Just because it's low milage,
that the car hasn't been looked after.

This coupe could well have been looked after with the upmost care (warmed up,well serviced,oil changed every year,belts done etc).
To discount it without knowlage of it's past would be a mistake.
It could be a little gem .
The coupe can handle low annual milage without any problems.All that is needed is some basic care.
My current annual milage is 1100 Miles.
As more owners use the coupe as a second car(and fuel prices keep rising) this will become more the norm.

Second hand values will always continue be affected by milage and condition.
I do however agree that ,for a coupe, low milage would add very little in cash value and thats what makes it worth a look .

Anyway the porn stash my be in the spare wheel well !!!Again....worth a look shocked


If the stash is included £3000 about right

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Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: sandytim] #1024441
22/04/2010 09:30
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So it seems that the concensus is around £3000 - £3500?
I can't imagine he'd drop 50% but maybe £3500 is worth an ask.
I guess you have to take into account that it has had cambelt / clutch so these shouuldn't need doing for quite a while.
I agree that PorkyPauls would be a better bet but that went pretty sharpish!

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: sandytim] #1024653
22/04/2010 15:56
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Originally Posted By: sandytim
Originally Posted By: djmobi
.........correct me if I'm wrong but the average mileage for coops on this site is probably around 100,000 and if you buy a 20VT from a forum memebr who's looked after it, it will be better than something thats only done 30,000.

Your wrong as...
you're presuming that;
(a)Just because the owner isn't on the forum
and
(b)Just because it's low milage,
that the car hasn't been looked after.

This coupe could well have been looked after with the upmost care (warmed up,well serviced,oil changed every year,belts done etc).
To discount it without knowlage of it's past would be a mistake.
It could be a little gem .
The coupe can handle low annual milage without any problems.All that is needed is some basic care.
My current annual milage is 1100 Miles.
As more owners use the coupe as a second car(and fuel prices keep rising) this will become more the norm.

Second hand values will always continue be affected by milage and condition.
I do however agree that ,for a coupe, low milage would add very little in cash value and thats what makes it worth a look .

Anyway the porn stash my be in the spare wheel well !!!Again....worth a look shocked


If the stash is included £3000 about right


The point I was actually making is that a sorted 100,000 mile cope from this forum that has been looked after correctly is a better investement than a car thats done 30000 and hasn;t been. I'm not suggesting this one hasn;t been looked after, obviously the person buying would investigate this.

Dont presume to presume what other people are presuming smile

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1024693
22/04/2010 18:01
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Originally Posted By: djmobi
Originally Posted By: sandytim
Originally Posted By: djmobi
.........correct me if I'm wrong but the average mileage for coops on this site is probably around 100,000 and if you buy a 20VT from a forum memebr who's looked after it, it will be better than something thats only done 30,000.

Your wrong as...
you're presuming that;
(a)Just because the owner isn't on the forum
and
(b)Just because it's low milage,
that the car hasn't been looked after.

This coupe could well have been looked after with the upmost care (warmed up,well serviced,oil changed every year,belts done etc).
To discount it without knowlage of it's past would be a mistake.
It could be a little gem .
The coupe can handle low annual milage without any problems.All that is needed is some basic care.
My current annual milage is 1100 Miles.
As more owners use the coupe as a second car(and fuel prices keep rising) this will become more the norm.

Second hand values will always continue be affected by milage and condition.
I do however agree that ,for a coupe, low milage would add very little in cash value and thats what makes it worth a look .

Anyway the porn stash my be in the spare wheel well !!!Again....worth a look shocked


If the stash is included £3000 about right


The point I was actually making is that a sorted 100,000 mile cope from this forum that has been looked after correctly is a better investement than a car thats done 30000 and hasn;t been. I'm not suggesting this one hasn;t been looked after, obviously the person buying would investigate this.

Dont presume to presume what other people are presuming smile



Just because a coupe is sold via this forum from a member, doesnt mean it will be better than a non-forum owned coupe.


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Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1024703
22/04/2010 18:26
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I wouldn't presume to presume what presumptions you are making, as that would just mean I was being presumptuous.
And I'm the last person you would presume is acting presumptuously.
At least thats what I think you presume. smile

Anyway I just think many on here are too quick to presume that low milage coupes have somehow been badly maintained.
And that the coupe somehow suffers from lack of use.

Driving the coupe after a few weeks away makes it such fun and is the cheapest way of making your car feel faster.

A well looked after 30,000 mile coupe will always be worth more than a similar 100,000 mile car.
And the hidden porn stash would just be the icing on the cake, what ever the milage thumb


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Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: sandytim] #1025074
23/04/2010 09:58
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Originally Posted By: sandytim
I wouldn't presume to presume what presumptions you are making, as that would just mean I was being presumptuous.
And I'm the last person you would presume is acting presumptuously.
At least thats what I think you presume. smile

Anyway I just think many on here are too quick to presume that low milage coupes have somehow been badly maintained.
And that the coupe somehow suffers from lack of use.

Driving the coupe after a few weeks away makes it such fun and is the cheapest way of making your car feel faster.

A well looked after 30,000 mile coupe will always be worth more than a similar 100,000 mile car.
And the hidden porn stash would just be the icing on the cake, what ever the milage thumb



Amen to that

Also just to confirm...I'm not saying that a coupe from the forum will always be better than a coupe outside of the forum.....I'm actually agreeing with the main point that mileage doesnt matter...its all about how the car has been looked after. We dont know if this 30000 mile car has been well maintained or badly maintained. If its been well maintained then its still way overpriced....if it doesnt have much history then I would go back to my original OPINION (Which I believe i'm entitled to) I would rather have a 100000 mile coop from a forum member who has lovingly looked after the car and has a working knowledge of how to properly maintain the car, rather than a 30000 mile coop that I dont know much about.

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1025139
23/04/2010 11:46
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OK. DJMOBI, What do you think is the going rate for a Well Maintained 30,000 Mile 20VT in Portofino Blue?, remembering this is from a garage and has had a recent cambelt and clutch?

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1025173
23/04/2010 12:35
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A well looked after 30,000 mile Coupe is a better bet and more valuable than a well looked after 100,000 mile Coupe. Whether it's on it's 2nd or 3rd set of belts is irrelevant in my view.

If it's mint in every way I would say £4000.

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1025180
23/04/2010 12:54
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mines coming up to 16,000 and i can tell you this much...

you ll still have to spend on it,and lots !

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1025186
23/04/2010 13:04
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Originally Posted By: MattW
A well looked after 30,000 mile Coupe is a better bet and more valuable than a well looked after 100,000 mile Coupe. Whether it's on it's 2nd or 3rd set of belts is irrelevant in my view.

If it's mint in every way I would say £4000.


For the record, the only reason I mentioned that it should be on it's 3rd belt is because IF it had its second belts at the right time, 6 yrs ago, that proves it's been maintained 'money no object' which counts towards mintness in my book.

If it's been left for 12 years until that 1st belt change then it hasn't been maintained how I'd like it to have been anyway.

Anyway, impossible to value until you jack it up, get underneath and check for rust like I also said.

Could be anywhere 2-4.5k depending on all this.

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1025353
23/04/2010 18:20
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This now appears to be on ebay.

http://tinyurl.com/32pdnka

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1025556
24/04/2010 09:37
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If it's been in a garage and driven for pleasure on sunny days I'd go close to 4K, if I was buying.

If it's been used for driving to work half a mile away every morning, I'd not value it more than a 130k car.

The fact the clutch has been done does suggest the latter imo. If it had a picture of thre drivers bolster you'd get a better idea of which it was - short journeys rag it getting in and out just as much as long journeys.

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1025697
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WOW, This is a one owner car with 30,000 miles on the clock.
Plus is STANDARD spec cloud9

It looks a minter and the owner must have been a coupe fan to keep it for so long.

Still it is a lot of cash,so its for someone who really, really,really wants a clean standard car.

Also it is Porto-pinko cry


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Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: sandytim] #1025734
24/04/2010 19:43
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it does look mint but still not worth £4.5k IMO......may £3.5k

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1025741
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buy a turbo you know you would like one really

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1026007
25/04/2010 11:56
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Originally Posted By: The_Silver_Fox
This now appears to be on ebay.

http://tinyurl.com/32pdnka


Thats a great picture in your sig

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1026421
26/04/2010 08:34
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I was going to view and offer £3.5K but on speaking to the garage they say they have changed the belt and clutch but not the water pump !(penny pinching?).
Perhaps more importantly, they haven't got the red key but said they keep meaning to chase the previous owner for it.
At this sort of money I'd expect both of these do be addressed

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1026495
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I've been watching that one too, seeing as it's closeish to me and I like Porto blue.
But I think it's overpriced as well, I'm waiting for it to come back on the market at a more reasonable price after the dealer realises it's too much too..

Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: ] #1026560
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Originally Posted By: StevieP
I was going to view and offer £3.5K but on speaking to the garage they say they have changed the belt and clutch but not the water pump !(penny pinching?).
Perhaps more importantly, they haven't got the red key but said they keep meaning to chase the previous owner for it.
At this sort of money I'd expect both of these do be addressed



Red key is usually, and I stress *usually* unimportant for a coupé, but you are correct it is a great bargaining tool. You can argue that to get Fiat to replace the system involved can cost well over £1k. Of course, the cheaper option, if it really bothered you, is to buy the system from one of our breakers for a maximum of a couple of hundred pounds.

What would concern me far more is the water pump not being replaced. They do fail, maybe not as often as other models (I'm thing VWs here!) but it isn't unknown, and of course, it's a full belt off job with the associated costs......

Makes you wonder why they did that, for the sake of saving £30-ish!!


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Re: What price a 1998 30,000 mile 20VT? [Re: stan] #1026593
26/04/2010 12:23
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Originally Posted By: stan
Originally Posted By: StevieP
I was going to view and offer £3.5K but on speaking to the garage they say they have changed the belt and clutch but not the water pump !(penny pinching?).
Perhaps more importantly, they haven't got the red key but said they keep meaning to chase the previous owner for it.
At this sort of money I'd expect both of these do be addressed



Red key is usually, and I stress *usually* unimportant for a coupé, but you are correct it is a great bargaining tool. You can argue that to get Fiat to replace the system involved can cost well over £1k. Of course, the cheaper option, if it really bothered you, is to buy the system from one of our breakers for a maximum of a couple of hundred pounds.

What would concern me far more is the water pump not being replaced. They do fail, maybe not as often as other models (I'm thing VWs here!) but it isn't unknown, and of course, it's a full belt off job with the associated costs......

Makes you wonder why they did that, for the sake of saving £30-ish!!


Exactly what I was thinking.
Saving £30 and not putting a water pump on is crazy when trying to sell a car for that price.
When you say, A couple of hundred to fix the red key problem, I take it you just need the key and code box?

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