Anyone know this one? LINK

Seems to be changing hands a lot recently, see here also LINK

and it was also relisted yesterday by the original seller (the 2nd link) but listing disappeared and now for sale with GT4kev. Sure he's a forum member.

Can't seem to get those to link, sorry.

links work fine...........now Joe

Yeah but normally you can just click on them mate, can't seem to get them to work.

Just had a squint and one thing springs to mind...
TGTBT.

Copy and paste works fine for us oldies mate

Lol. It was on there about a month ago too, something's not right.

What are you getting me into here Joe

i rang up original guy in wales when it was first on and offered more than 1395 for it but he wanted more then..it came up a few times ..original owner told me he had had a few and alfas etc and was reasonably knowlegeable..he was telling me it was a good one so dont know why its back on by new owner

If it is back up for sale that quick rob,don't look good mate.

Gents,

There can be a genuine excuse. I sold my Plus after 1 month for various reasons, doesn't make it a bad car.

In fact, Craig is extremely happy.

There maybe a real story behind it so give him a call and find out!

the seller is a forum member.the one who bought johna's car and tried flogging it for a quick sale

maybe thats what its about its a cheap buy at 1300 or whatever it was
maybe if he is in a more accessable place it will make a good profit..everyone knows i am in the trade although its vans and being easy to get to makes a big difference ..that car in the middle of south wales was never going to get much interest..put it in the northwest or midlands and it will make 500 more mad though it seems its true..maybe he is a trader or just wheeling and dealing for a bit extra cash..
remember there are new customers on ebay everyday and there is always someone that doesnt know what he paid

It's my car car, and yes I'm a trader. What is up with you guys AGAIN ? There is nothing dodgy about this car, I buy and sell coupes. Just like johna's that I sold ! Johna's car was sold in good working order, just like I advertised it. I'm sure there are better things to do, than to go around bitching about someone sellings cars. Instead of assuming, why don't you just call me up and ask questions ?

Now who wants to buy a good looking coupe ?

The previous owner had been let down on eBay by a fella in Scotland. The winning bidder wanted him to deliver the car to Scotland. I've purchased the car now. That's why it has changed hands over the last few days. Any questions, just ask me.

The auction is still running though..

Nothing personal,just couldnt pin down your name.Just knew you were a trader,had johna's car and new the ebay name,not the forum one.

Why not advertise on the forum?Its free?Saves being raped by ebay everytime.

In fairness looks like a cheap plus.

I understand ;-) The reason for not advertising on the forum, is due to others bitching like little old women. When actual fact, I've sold some very nice coupes. Hope you understand.

I have to agree with that. The only way someone should be commenting is if you go see the car, or know / are the previous owner + are aware of the history of the car.

Dont worry about them,if your are as genuine as the car there nowt to worry about. Even on ebay the car will be scrutinised if its doesn't look up to scratch or something sounds fishy.At least as a forum member you can respond here to your ads alter it etc without the hassle(timewaster) and charges of ebay.

The proof is in the inspection really and if it as its described they can eat there words.If not expect to be questioned.

Give the forum the chance to grab a bargain.

Thank you :-)

Sorry Kev it's just I'd seen it appear on ebay 3 times in a month and wondered why i.e if there's somthing wrong with it. It looks tidy.

That's ok Joe, no problems. The previous owner lived in west coast of Wales, and isn't a petrol head like us. It's a nice coupe that needs a good home :-) Ive just had someone come to view the car. He picked up on a split outer cv gator, the front spliter (as explained) and the rear bumper melted a bit from the rear silencer.

at the end of the day this is an open forum and this is the buying and selling section ..
people asking each other what they know of cars and speculating is only natural when you are parting with your hard earned cash..
there are many shady traders out there and they still try and pull my pants down on a regular basis even though i am in the trade myself
so many normal buyers on the forum have had bad experiences thus the speculation and lets be honest its been on three times then changes hands and comes back on so peolpe will wonder why..
personally i dont see that as bitching and if you cant stand a bit of scrutiny without reacting like that you should be in another business or not use an open forum

I agree with most of this. Specualtion is only natural. If you dont want people to speculate as to why the car has been up for sale often then you should state the reason for this in your advert.

am i the only one who thinks that is a bit harsh? especially when he isn't the one who dragged his car into this section/forum?

it seems to me that without specific knowledge of cars people should reserve judgement UNLESS someone asks for it. he didn't as far as i can see

motor traders dont have a very good name or image unfortunately and you have to understand that its natural that people will speculate and want to know why certain things ..like the car coming back straight after being bought..
thats a natural thing people will want to know and speculate as to the reasons and this is the place to do so ..a forum open to anyone to say what they think,feel,fear and whatever else that buying second hand cars evoke
if you are curtious, helpfull and polite with people (all of whom are potential customers)you do yourself ,your trade,and your personal business a credit.
when you come on a buying and selling section and go on the defensive and take an attitude inferring people are bitching about your cars you do no one any favours and the traders bad attitude cliche is reinforced and people become more wary and feel they cant say what they are thinking without getting attitude
there is no reason he couldn't have come and and said "look guys i am a trader the car is fine and you are welcome to come and have a look and i would be grateful if you would refrain from comment untill someone has seen it..i will gladly bring it to whoever wishes to look in order for them to give an apraisal and anyone is welcome to test it

i have been around a long time and have been as i value and understand peoples thoughts and fears when shelling out for a second hand vehichle and in my view if you have no time for that or cant stand your vehichles under scrutiny you should not be in the trade
you certainly don't do the rest of us any good
same with the attitude on a buying and selling forum section when you are selling..

i understand what you're saying kt, but i say again - it wasn't him who started any threads about his car. if he had, i agree it's fair game for comments in the appropriate place

Bit harsh, your right ! I gave my number on the advert, even though I didn't advertise it on here. For the simple reason of what's happened today. It doesn't help when people post about my cars, when they don't know me or the cars I'm selling. So why speculate and assume, when it's so simple. Just pick up the phone up, and ask me the questions. Then when you have spoken to me, post what I've said. Even better, come and view car. That way, your not talking rubbish !!! I can handle open forums, only when people tell the truth, and not assume. Conclusion ? You don't ask, you don't know !

fair comment people should phone or speak to you but its not a perfect world and you will always get assumptions presumptions and other umptions..its just the way it is..
its what you do with that thats the issue
and also one of the keys to succesful (if thats how you spell it) trading ..not that i am trying to tell you how to do it just an honest statement
i have found you only have yourself..you are the business ..the front and the first impression people get will determine whether they come and see what you have or just carry on looking..
if you come across as agressive or uncaring or short with people it will put half of them off without any further thought about your car.
you managed to put peoples back up and provoked anger by infering people were bitchin (no one wants to be thought of or indirectly called a bitcher)when you could have handled it as i mentioned above and left them thinking you were fair and reasonable and left them feeling happy with your asking them not to speculate
you say i was harsh but you have to take responsability for this chain of events the attitude changed from one of simple speculation when an angry retort was your response that was harsh
sometimes when we are in the wrong and it is reflected back at us we think ahh fair enough i dont want to come across like that and the direct result we learn something or we can think along the lines "what a bunch of&*&&^" and click over to ebay

thus speaks the wise sage of birkenhead..i have just reread that what a t**t
like i can pontificate!

We can be here all day, debating what's right and wrong. Just let me get on with selling my cars, i've not failed yet. I don't hold no grudges ktm, any questions just ask me. You've got my number !

i hope you dont bear grudges as well especially when we havent fallen out yet!

Fancy buying my motor then ? :-)

i am just about to leave the house to go see the red one i have bid him on it so have an agreed
dependant on it not having issues.. too much and i dont want it ..
with my engine build and supporting mods costing so much in time and money i cant sink much of either into the car its going in
i did have the one you are selling at 1600 with its last owner but just couldn't get to aberystwyth i had a head at bennies in south wales as well and couldnt get for that either as have had to stay local with our eldest being in hospital very poorly and kids an family to ferry about
anyway i am interested
whats it like on the body
underneath
and how is it for dings?

have to leave its getting late will contact you later

Sorry to hear about the family, give us a call when your available ok.

*cough* shouldn't you be declaring on the advert that you are a trader *cough*

thats one of those issues thats up to the individual if you have a trade account then it shows through the type of add ..
if you are advertising and paying for an add you dont have to theres no legal (or moral from what i can see) need to declare yourself a trader as long as you are not hiding it if someone asks... then like anyone else you are advertising a vehichle and it will sell or not on its merits ..
whether you do this for a living or not should bear no relevance..
on autotrader you have it on your add if you are a trader as thats thier policy which gives the potential customer a heads up that you have facilities or a warrentee is legally obliged
ebay and other sites dont have policy on it

oxfordSteve is right.

I don't see why it should be taken personally really.

Most people whether they're active on a forum or not would have concerns about ANY car that appears to be changing hands and being placed for sale by different vendors over a couple of weeks.

If buyers are looking for a specific model aren't they likely to a remember a particular car if they see it advertised several times?

Who wants to buy a possible lemon that's just being sold on?

Perhaps some people grew up in another age when buying a car was a serious matter and not something given as much thought as what pint to have when stood at a bar or a £6 tee shirt from Tesco? Some people don't buy cars on a whim. Perhaps people that are actively seeking a specific model don't buy on a whim either?

Personally I'm finding the age of cutting and pasting previous adverts from when someone previously bought the car a bit odd.

Some people seem to be selling an advert rather than a car, and somehow what they've typed for an advert goes someway to negating the four figure repair the car requires.

Where's the indication, or hidden code in the eBay listing that you're a trader? If you're a trader specialising in Fiat Coupes why not mention it in the eBay advert?

I'm not sure bellyaching about what people type on a forum has much credibility with me when there's no indication in the eBay listing that you're a trader?

You kind of want some honesty and transparency from people but want to put cars for sale on eBay without stating you're trader? Can you see how that's a bit inconsistent?

So you want to use the Internet to sell cars without stating you're a trader, but then have a gripe when people use the Internet to query or discuss the provenance of a car that they may be interested in?

whats the issue with decaring yourself a trader?
it isn't a legal or moral requirement
the car for sale will sell on its merits and price ..how the owner makes his living is niether here nor there

'What laws and rights am I covered by?

The Sale of Goods Act 1979 is a key right for consumers buying anything from a trader, not just a car, and says that the item should be of satisfactory quality, or as described.'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8574668.stm

Does the sale of goods act apply to individuals selling their own car privately then?


Why be up front and honest with people when you can just play a technicality eh?

sorry what do you mean by playing technicalities?
what do you see here that is wrong or bad that illicits such a reaction?
whats seems to be happening here is the stereotypical image of the shady trader which is a figment of the not very imaginatives imagination
hes selling a car you tell me what difference there is between him selling it and a private individual?
its the same car!
he does not have to declare he is a trader and if asked would do so would without care as he has..
whats the sale of goods act got to do with anything here there is no issue with the car
the sale of goods act is what it is.. there to protect buyers from unscrupulous sellers
it seems you have made your mind up and feel like you need protecting from this big rogue
but really he is a man selling a car just like any other man if he has 3 cars like me or 6 or 60 what possible reason is that to necessitate him declaring how he makes a living there is nothing going on that is in any way wrong or needs declaring i am at a loss really as to why you think he needs to declare he trades can you give me a good reason why he should? or why he would need to?

Shady?

What's wrong with specifying in an advert that he's a trader?

Why do you think classified adverts in local newspapers have a little (T) at the end?

I know a PCSO that doesn't like being seen entering their house because they live in suburb with more than a few ne'erdowells in it so I can understand why they're a bit sensitive to all and sundry knowing what their profession is, but I fail to see why this vendor wants to keep the fact that they're a trader secret?


Legislation covers those selling cars, just as it does those selling mortgages and financial services and properties.

http://www.rhondda-cynon-taf.gov.uk/stel...dDocName=028457

A good job Newbury isn't in Wales eh?

'Unfair commercial practices and criminal offences

A dealer may have committed a criminal offence if they have done any of the following things:

* Pretended to be a private seller'

From:

http://www.desktoplawyer.co.uk/dtl/index.cfm?event=base:article&node=A76053BD34188

I don't know why people would want to misrepresent themselves when they're selling car?

Yes you do Monza!

If you are a private seller, your buyer is not covered by the Sale of Goods act or the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations.

This bloke is a trader, and should be declaring as such, its not a moral issue, its a legal one.

Thanks Steve, sometimes I get the impression from this forum that Fiat Coupe types live in some alternative universe.

One where the law doesn't apply you mean!!

Perhaps it's a reflection of the age in which we live?

I was unaware of this but thanks for pointing it out guys

The prosecution by Rhondda Cynon Taf Council’s Trading Standards officers is an important one, as consumers who purchase from traders and car dealers have different rights from those who undertake private sales.

I may have misunderstood the original question, but I'm sure it said does anyone know this car? And although amusing this thread is there hasn't been much talk about the car! It looks quite tidy to me, if I was looking to buy I would have go and have look! I must admit I was too lazy to read the description as I was too tired from reading this thread.

Wiltshire to Newbury? Sounds pretty close to me, go and have a look.

what a sad world we live in, it makes me wonder about fiat coupe types as well, 'people being concerned about ne'er do wells' can you explain what that has to do with the trader issue, as far as i can see it is a totally unrelated issue and the whole flavour of everything you say points at you seeing traders as some sort of wrong doers.......as i explained before on ebay if you are a home trader there is no requirement to state you are a trader, this isn't Minder, we're not talking about Arthur Daley types working out of shady car plots every time a trader is mentioned. I have a retired friend who was a master technician that buys the odd car with an isssue or in need of a bit of restoration, does an excellent job then sells them on to earn extra money, this guy like the above is a home trader who you certainly don't need protecting from and wouldn't dream of stating they are a trader in the ad, because although they technically are they see themselves as private individuals. If something went wrong he would be horrified and want to put it right.
your assuming that this guy is hiding something but he came on open forum and straight off said he was a trader theres no facility on ebay for home trader so it doesn't come up on an add. blieve me if there was a potential legal issue or requirement they would enforce it for fear of legal action.
home traders are covered by the sale of goods act and no one is trying to deny this everything your issue revolves around is only relevent if there is a problem with the car or trader which you just assume there will be as he is hiding something ..he has done nothing wrong broken no law and the car is probably a sound one so your making up problems that dont exist
it all boils down to your looking for wrongs and expecting people to be low life and hiding things and tricking you what a sad world some of you people must live in when behind every add or nieghborhood neer do wells may lurk to get you

Ebay make absolutely no effort to police anything on their site, either for items or sellers, and rely on users to report problems to them. There is a perfectly good Dealer option on eBay and should be using that.

I have no idea if the seller is a good or bad dealer, but not declaring your trading status would definitely put me off - if they are not being up front about that, what else?

So here they're selling the car here as a trader, but on eBay and Pistonheads they're selling the car as a private individual?

So the car is being sold by a trader, or it's being sold by an individual? Which is it?

Why haven't they stated in either of their adverts that they are a trader?

So in the description field of the listing in the advert there's no scope for typing 'I am a trader working from my home'? There aren't other traders on eBay that sell cars as 'home traders' that specify it in their listings?

i suspect this is going no where as we are dealing at bottom line with attitude and stereotypes
because someone didn't mention they were a home trader in the add does not mean they have anything to hide or are hiding anything
home trading is an individual thing not normally a business ..theres no list of cars to sell, no plot or garage,no dealer facilities ,one man, usually one car at a time possible a couple
the guy just wrote an add and descibed the car..he volunteered he traded on open forum and there is nothing to say he wouldn't have explained what he did if you spoke on the phone or went to view ..
a lot of these guys have other jobs and see themselves as chef,mechanic whatever,..retired technician in my friends case and it would not even occur to him to put in the add somewhere "by the way i am a trader" as he is not he is a retired technician selling a car
as i say it all boils down to attitude and some people will always feel they need the law on everything on there side
as they are expecting the worst from people ..others just don't see things that way at all
there are far more important issues i would rather be contemplating so on that note i will remove myself from this as our attitude to life is obviously very different but i have to say that looking for and expecting people to be hiding things and worrying about ne'er do wells is for certain types and they are welcome to it
why not write to ebay and report him maybe try and get him in trouble in some way for his transgression?
yawn

There is no such thing as a home trader, you are either a dealer, or you are a private individual. If you have bought a car to sell, you are a trader, simple as that.

Buyers rights are nothing to do with attitudes or stereotypes, they are the law. If someone buys this car from this dealer, and something does go wrong, they have the full rights under the sale of goods act etc., and if anyone from here does decide to buy it, then they have the right to know that.

It's not a matter of being arsey about it, it's about attempting to make it clear.

By the way, someone has stolen all you capital letters!!!

wrong - the car wasn't being advertised on here, the discussion about it is entirely from an ad elsewhere. i really don't see what the problem is, with every car you buy it's "caveat emptor" and if you do your homework you are less likely to suffer a bad buy. some of the worst buys you can make are from private traders who either blatantly lie about the car or, worse, sell it on in a dangerous condition "sold as seen" and you have no comeback.

give the guy a break, he's broken no laws and no moral codes as far as i can see

No law or moral code, apart from the fact it's illegal for a trader to pose as a private seller.

Yawn?

It boils down to attitude?

In the last century people interested in responding to adverts for used cars were advised to start any telephone calls with 'I am calling about the car' as if it's a trader they may answer 'Which car?'

I didn't write such articles or guides on how to go about buying a used car, just as I didn't write or influence the legislation covering traders selling cars, I am merely aware of them and read them.

Other questions to ask those selling cars are:

1. 'Why are you selling the car?'
2. 'Is the V5 in your name?'
3. 'How long have you owned the car?'

Perhaps those questions could be useful to determine whether a person actually has title of any vehicle they're selling or determining whether it's being sold by a trader?

Why do cars go to auction?

What percentage of people sell their cars when they have a fault that will be expensive to repair, or before they're about to incur a big bill at the MoT test station?

All cars are perfect and none of them have faults that could well be in excess of their value to remedy?

'i suspect this is going no where as we are dealing at bottom line with attitude and stereotypes because someone didn't mention they were a home trader in the add does not mean they have anything to hide or are hiding anything home trading is an individual thing not normally a business.'

You've been watching Sherlock Holmes on TV?

Oh my god ! If it's not the car, it's my status.....what next ? Anyone want to buy an Evo ? :-) Might start another thread pmsl

Joe78 if your interested in the car, go and have a look. I am close to the car in wiltshire, but what more would I be able to tell you from looking at it than the seller already has! Plus I'm away until next wk end.

So if I come along, like the car and buy it, and something goes wrong, you will not attempt to deny me my statutary rights?

'a lot of these guys have other jobs and see themselves as chef,mechanic whatever,..retired technician in my friends case'

A lot?

On a percentage basis? 50%? 60%? 75%? 90%?

OK, so if everyone working as a home trader were ex mechanics and MoT testers only sold excellent cars we could just buy any Fiat Coupe going and it would be splendid? Odd that given the types of faults that occur on Fords, VWs, Vauxhalls etc. Doubly odd given that even new cars can have major faults.

What's the weather going to be tomorrow?

What are tonight's lottery numbers?


'a lot of these guys have other jobs and see themselves as chef,mechanic whatever,..retired technician in my friends case'

I see myself as the next Ron Jeremy.

Every phone call I've taken, I've told them I'm a small time trader. What's wrong with that ? Come and have a look, if you don't like it, don't buy SIMPLE ! You won't be disappointed, I can assure you that. Then you can come on here and tell everyone about what a terrible man I am :-) I've got grey hair, going bald, fat, short, what the average trader looks like :-)

Now come on peeps, cheer up. Life is too short to be moaning about silly things like this. It's the weekend, enjoy it !

Oxfordsteve. Do you want to come and see the car ? If so, call me. Bring your insurance cert with you, and you can test drive it also. The car is sold as seen, with no warranty. You can have a look round the car all day long. If your not interested, what's your problem ?

you got another coupe then?
when i rang you about the last one you had last month,you said you didnt like coupe's and they looked like capri's?
im a fulltime trader,bit of advice,just be honest when you sell cars.no point in telling porkies
good luck with the sale

i love this forum one dudes gone right off at the deep end

i don't know if you are aware i have my own van business and most of my friends or people who i work with or buy from/sell to.. are in the trade one way or another from home traders to main dealers so i feel your trying to pick me apart a bit lame when i know so much more than you ever will about it and i am fully and i mean fully aware of all the law around these issues my wife being a solicitor legal advice is free in our house
get a life
your touch papers been lit and you need to throw some water on yourself and get a bit of perspective man

and you know who i mean

i was refering to GT4kev
canny enough bloke on the phone,but i nearly bought that car you had,that on here you said was knackered,selling handgranades on ebay is not good.just as well i found the posts first on here.if id have bought that,you would have got it back
ben

This whole scenario strikes me as a tad odd. Why wouldnt you sell a Fiat Coupe here if you knew the forum existed? After all, you wont find a bigger catchment for that particular car.

for this exact reason i suspect (meaning the above reactions )

Ach, I'm hooked again I just love it when things get shouty like this. There was a time, all I wanted was help/advise with my Coop My observations are----- probably going on into Fri night, then it will be locked

Mind you, this is only an observation...

My problem is that you are a self confessed trader, and you are trying to get away with claiming it is without warrantee and sold as seen, naughty boy!

Anyone got Berkshire trading standards number go hand!

Are you saying that a trader is not allowed to place a "sold as seen" advertisement or to sell a car without warranty ?

A trader is not allowed to deprive you of your rights under the sale of goods act, no. Claiming sold as seen etc is right out!

ok mate.
Handy info there for everybody here.
I had no idea TBH.
Paul

So when traders sell their cars as p/ex clearence cars, with no warranty, is that wrong then ? Cus I know alot of them that do. Anyway, I'm off out for the night, and I'm going to enjoy myself. See if you can manage to find one :-)

regards

im a full time trader
there is no such thing as sold as see when you are a trader
believe me i know,been burned before.
its covered for 3 months
but you arent a registered trader are you?
your a taxi driver
im a tax paying trader
and have to fix any repair for 3 months from the date of sale.
some people say it is 6 months cover.
i just get a warranty with every sale to cover myself even if they refuse one.

Your right ben ! Just spoken to a friend who's in the game and it's compulsary 3 months. It's a big learning curve for anyone just starting off. Sorry steve for not believing you. Apology accepted ?

Of course keV!

Group hug time?

I want to go on top this time though!

Gay boy :-)

'i suspect this is going no where as we are dealing at bottom line with attitude and stereotypes
because someone didn't mention they were a home trader in the add does not mean they have anything to hide or are hiding anything'


We got there in the end didn't we?

Shame we didn't get sponsorship for that one eh?

so can we call it a day ?

and you should join the club too

ben like me being registered does make us stand by our sales for 3 months but if you are not a registered trader the law is different and it comes down to definition and interpretation its far too detailed and i have not the time or inclination but as a home seller and not a reistered trader he is not legally accoutable in the same way we are..just like a private seller fit for purpose is still bottom line

talking of bottom lines the bottom line in this issue was whether he legally had to declare himself a trader so you did not get anywhere in the end monza you just moved the goal posts to score cheap points if you want to win an argument try the one you started with
every time you quote me you make a fool of yourself
you have proved nothing he still has not hidden anything dont you get it yet he does not have to declare in an ebay add he is a trader and not doing so does not mean he has anything to hide just that he hadn't thought to mention it
have you nothing better to do?

dont answer that i think we know

oh and you can in certain circumstances sell a car without warrentee so please guys if you dont really know the law on this leave it..
this really is enough of this one for me the guy doing most of the point proving is not in the trade so knows nothing of it and does not know the law on any of it so why he is trying to prove the people whos business it is wrong in some way is beyond me

The original question was:

Anyone know this one? LINK

The question has now been answered and the seller has said to ring with any further questions.

Thread will now be locked.