Hi Alexis
You do realise that bravo style top mounts have been supplied with that kit?

Barbz

What difference will that make?

The topmounts are specific for the Fiat Coupe, we dont have a Bravo kit.

i think barbz may have been suggesting that if they were bravo style they may give you less caster? (im sure barbz will confirm if this is what he means)
barbz has told me that the bravo mounts give less caster, but jimbo told me he measured them and they are the same as the std coupe ones.....who's right i dont know are you still talking to me jimbo

i am sure they will just be std caster settings, i.e fine.

the gaz kit had optional caster topmounts and barbz drilled his turrets for more caster with the bc kit.

Correct! Just measure them anyway when in place against the OEM ones to be sure, no drama's.



With Awesome results!

Need as much grip as i can get these days, especially on the twisty's.

The measurements and angles of the topmounts on the BC kit are a direct copy of the original Fiat Coupe item.

For sure, if you want to modify them or your car then go ahead, there are certainly gains (in grip) to be had by an increase in castor angle.

Explanation here for those who don't understand how it works:

http://deltaparts1.blogspot.com/2010/05/intrax-suspension-systems-camber-and.html

When someone offers the same product at less than list price than anyone else, competitors then lower their prices to gain back the lost trade, this is called a 'Price war', here is a more official and wholesome description courtesy of Wikipedia:



Please answer me this question; Do you have an account with Apex/BC Racing?
We do and we follow their code of conduct.
Now we don't wish to fall out over this, not in the slightest. We are just the same as you - interested and enjoying working on/modifying Italian cars and trying to make a living whilst doing it, but we do also strive for some fairness and a level playing field between traders and customer alike.
This is the third suspension set up we have worked on with major manufacturers which has brought huge advantages to the community and other trade vendors alike so I believe we are 'doing our bit' and not jumping on the bandwagon of other peoples hard work and trying to undercut their prices by fair means or foul.
My cards are laid on the table, are yours Sir? We represent ourselves and do not have our minions, fans or hangers-on to do it for us. There are no secret PMs, Chinese whispers or backhanded dealing.

We are working with Apex/BC on a 'Group buy' which is both level, above board and within the codes of good practice.

Thankyou for reading, I hope you see where I am coming from, even if you do not agree with what is happening.

Edited - it seems I was wrong!

Wow! Your intelligent.
There is no sign of you on the Group buy/parts for sale section selling your wares. I guess the price war has started as from today then?


YES!
Welcome to, aecar.co.uk. Been trading for several years now and selling bc coilovers for a couple.


Somehow i dont think so.


Sounds familiar.


Oh really! So now your educating me on business and work ethics?


Now i'm insulted.
You've been reading too much News of the World. Evidence please!


What a contradiction when your accusing me of under hand tactics. Joker!


Nothing wrong with taking up minions, fans or hangers on who voluntary & happily offer to contribute to this great community.


Again, evidence please!


Bravo! Give yourself a pat on the back and blow your own trumpet.


So it's all a game to you?

I advise you strongly to present sound evidence before making childish rants.

With a lot of help from Dr Wiki Phd.

Joining recently and attempting to patronise with wikipedia links doesn't serve you well in terms of appearing professional.

You may refer to satisfied customers as 'minions, fans or hangers-on' - it is very telling of your mentality towards customers and potentially insulting towards people that have genuine respect for his work - well done on beginning to alienate a potential customer base.

You on the other hand do not appear to have 'understood the game'. You have to earn respect. As a representative of deltaparts, you've gone about it the wrong way with your unsubstantiated rant. Totally. Would I buy from you or Barbz? Barbz every time - oh and wait for it... I'd pay more to buy from him as I'd be guaranteed excellent customer service.

You will find that Barbz has many years of experience in the field and has earned genuine respect, legitimately based on his knowledge as well as his honesty, reliability and customer care. Perhaps you could learn a thing or two.






Who are you again? Oh sorry don't bother, not interested

ps does your company know how 'well' you are representing them on the 'world wide web'?

How arrogant can you be?

You come on here insulting one of the most influential tuners in the Coupe community, writing up childish rants and making a fool of yourself.

Not a great way to introduce yourself to a forum who could have a great impact on your business. But then again, it's not your business is it? No one with a hint of common and business sense would write up posts to alienate any possible customers.

Before you feel the need to bring your point across again, which doesn't mean anything by the looks of it, think before you speak and have some respect for others who have devoted a big part of their life to have brought the Coupe to where it is today.

Not that either of the above comments are biased or anything....

Ok, I'm not interested in forum battles so I will try not to be drawn in any more. I have said my piece and will continue in a more civilised fashion without lowering the standards.

*ahem* It would have been me developing / testing the kit 2 years ago, if my engine hadn't let go on the dyno and resulting in a new forged build, but I wouldn't have asked for sales / money being donated to me, as I was developing the kit for the coupe community so everyone would benefit.

Well I have to say, this thread has turned into a most amusing contretemps. I was rather amazed by Patch's initial response, but it seems he has seen the light and I think you'll find that Rudi and Biggenz's views are held by the majority of members on here, and as a way of introducing oneself to members who might be looking for a suspension upgrade, deltaparts have made a bit of a mess so far.

So, back on topic, come on Alexis give us more pics as fitted, and a review please!

Yes, more to this than first thought, I did like this bit though

"We are just the same as you - interested and enjoying working on/modifying Italian cars and trying to make a living whilst doing it, but we do also strive for some fairness and a level playing field between traders and customer alike."

Still, as above, let's wait for Alexis to conclude his/this on going and interesting update for the car we all love.

Peace brothers!

Will do Dave. Saturday's weather is looking okay, I will have a hangover and Jonone will no doubt be getting a passenger ride, so I'm sure he will be able to comment too

Well said Pero.

i will comment and we can compare them to my gaz setup so possibly quite interesting all round!

So this'll be Martin trying to get down with the kids, speaka da English !

If it is an employee my advise is to look for a new job, better that than have anything to do with the biggest robber out there. Robbing other people products as best he can, though not always with success, right Martin?!
As an employee of such a gobshxte I would urge you towards some self education on the subjects you get force fed excrement, you'll be amazed how lacking Guru Mington is when you know a bit yourself.

By the way, the integrale BC shockers were the efforts of a genuine enthusiast over on the Delphi Evocorner Forum that which he was motivated to do for the good of the community, this was until Martin Crabcock spotted a way to line his own pockets, this is always his motivtion, GREED.

Believe one thing above all others, I have been on the thin edge of the wedge regarding Martin and his business dealings, his moral values are the absolute lowest.

I urge you all to buy from anywhere you can to avoid lining up at Deltaparts like the sheep he preys on, don't be a sheep, baaaaaa!

Guys, keep this on the topic of the new coilovers.

Any more bitching and it will be closed!

Sound like everyone is quite happy with Barbz's services and products anyway.

(Not a bitching btw :))

Just to say - Barbz is the man, end of....

Question:

On the AE Car site the BR Series is described as "44mm diameter piston in a 53mm diameter damper body" whereas on the Deltaparts site it says "46 mm diameter piston in a 53mm diameter damper"
is there a real difference or just a spelling issue ??

thanks, Jochen

Well the kit is fitted and the difference is just night and day in comparison with the FK's. Initally I've only set it at 5 clicks (out of 30) and it's a nice ride. I've only taken it around with block with jonone on some roads that I know I had issues with the FK's where the car would bottom out, but with the BC's it didn't.

Hopefully will get a bit more testing done this evening on the Hogs Back road (local's will know that the dual carriage way isn't great) and hopefully give some more feedback on it, but it's all looking good at the moment

Sounds promising Any pictures of the install or were you too keen to get out on the road?

Sounds good Begbie.

Have you turned the rear damper up side down?

Please show some pics of the coilovers

Not taken any, but will take some tomorrow probably.

Damper is upside down and can only be mounted that way due to the bolt size, so easy access for making the damper stiffer.