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Recommend me a martial art! #1305895
13/01/2012 11:07
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My shoulder, which I injured 2 years ago, should be fixed in the next couple of months. I was planning on taking up rugby but at 33 I think I'm probably too old and will end up injured. I'm therefore thinking of a martial art.

Requirements:

- practical self defence
- preferably less kick-orientated
- suitable for a late starter
- not bothered about the 'spiritual/meditation' side of things
- potential to do belts etc if I enjoy it and am any good

Cheers

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Ju Jitsu - it is rough on the floor fighting full contact

Krav maga - Excellent all round self defence trained to cia agents and the like

dont bother with karate its like learning dance moves and putting them all together in the kata

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Krav Maga.

This thread is now finished tongue

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Krav Maga.

This thread is now finished tongue


Wrong....

Ninjitsu......imagine telling people your a bona fide ninja... tongue

Or failing everything else...write a letter to Chuck Norris asking if you could be his 'daniel san' laugh

On a serious note,don't go with karate as mentioned above it's tedious.

Re: Recommend me a martial art! [Re: jon13] #1305911
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Some forms of karate are fine; i did shukokai style for 5 years and it was a no-nonsense full contact, belts and competitions orientated. Kyushinkai is very traditional but brutal, no pads used - shotokan is rigid and dull.

If i was to start martial arts again i'd go to a mixed martial arts academy and cherry pick the best of each of the main styles. Brazilian ju jitsu, kick-boxing, grappling/wrestling and boxing = unbeatable for exercise and real fighting

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Originally Posted By: jon13

write a letter to Chuck Norris asking if you could be his 'daniel san' laugh


No need, Chuck Norris all ready knows and has declined. For there can only be one...

Re: Recommend me a martial art! [Re: ] #1305914
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Juan King. A wrist discipline.

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Juan King. A wrist discipline.


Fuw King. My wife took this up when we were courting. Unfortunately once we got married, she gave it up and took up No Fuw King frown



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Re: Recommend me a martial art! [Re: ] #1305918
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The one Steven Seagal does, Aikido with the Aikikai style laugh

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Boxing. simply the most exhausting activity I have ever done. It also give yiu a different respect for even the worst professional. after two minutes I could bearly stand and in the 2nd round I was willing my opponent to deck me as that would be less painfull than the grief my legs, arms and lungs were giving me!

Instead of Rugby have you considered Hockey. Great way to get that fix of running that will keep osterparosis at bay smile

Re: Recommend me a martial art! [Re: ] #1305927
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I agree with nearly everything already said. Karate gets better the longr you do it.

Bockers, know what you are saying. Didn't realise how fit I was when I was a boxer. Had to retire through injury. Decided to get fit again many years after stopping. After less than a minute of sparing my lungs were bursting. Going back to it again when my 2 year old is old enough. He is big and strong for his age and will teach him respect. He is a little bugger. My mother laughs and says it is revenge on how I was for her.

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I did consider boxing - my brother does a fair bit and have sparred with him so know the incredible all-round fitness required. However I'm after a bit more contact.

Re. hockey - my mates wouldn't let me live it down tongue laugh


Originally Posted By: Truffle


Krav maga it is!

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Do boxing and keep your guard down. You will get plenty of contact laugh

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IRe. hockey - my mates wouldn't let me live it down tongue laugh


Don't knock it so quickly. Remember there is also mixed hockey, the changing rooms are very interesting shocked

In 10yrs or Rugby I was concussed once and had 36 stitches to re-attach an ear.

8yrs of Hockey = 3 broken ribs, broken foot, brocken hand twice, cracked cheak bone and a thumb that exploded all its fat and flesh through a 3mm cut hurl

Game for girls?

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Re: Recommend me a martial art! [Re: ] #1305943
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Some of them girls are more like a bloke than a lot of blokes though tongue

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Originally Posted By: bockers
Originally Posted By: jim3
IRe. hockey - my mates wouldn't let me live it down tongue laugh


Don't knock it so quickly. Remember there is also mixed hockey, the changing rooms are very interesting shocked

In 10yrs or Rugby I was concussed once and had 36 stitches to re-attach an ear.

8yrs of Hockey = 3 broken ribs, broken foot, brocken hand twice, cracked cheak bone and a thumb that exploded all its fat and flesh through a 3mm cut hurl



Game for girls?

Hockey is an evil game played by psychos whose only aim is to prove that despite being physically less cumbersome, they are harder, nastier and more insane than rugby players. Maybe it's just me, but isn't there a clue in the fact that the ball is made of rock and they are all ARMED WITH STICKS?

Re: Recommend me a martial art! [Re: ] #1305954
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What about hurling, hockey played at head height shocked

Re: Recommend me a martial art! [Re: bockers] #1305957
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Originally Posted By: bockers
What about hurling, hockey played at head height shocked


Good point, well made.

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Originally Posted By: Jim_Clennell
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What about hurling, hockey played at head height shocked


Good point, well made.


Jeez i'd forgotten about Hurling - as a boy i used to watch the mad Irishmen playing it in the local park and stand amazed at the injuries sustained that never even paused play, let alone stop it. Absolute nutters and hard as rock shocked

Re: Recommend me a martial art! [Re: ] #1305982
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Originally Posted By: proccy
Some forms of karate are fine; i did shukokai style for 5 years and it was a no-nonsense full contact, belts and competitions orientated. Kyushinkai is very traditional but brutal, no pads used - shotokan is rigid and dull.


It's not about the style of karate , it's about the way it is taught. Shotokan probably has the largest amount of students worldwide of any karate style but this very fact means that there are a lot of different associations and ways of teaching Shotokan and from direct personal experience quite a few of the people teaching it around the country are crap and don't understand the style.

I was a Shotokan instructor before "old age", marriage and kids put paid to my free time and in my particular association we learned and taught a hard style, no nonsense Japanese martial art. It was'nt about competition although we did a lot of competition fighting, it was about learning how to fight in the real world. To that end my Shotokan training taught not only punch, strike and kick techniques, but throws, locks and grappling together with weapon use.

Traditional Japanese martial arts are about being able to fight for your life at the drop of a hat using whatever was available to you and making sure that your body and mind were trained and attuned to allow you to do so.

I have seen far too many guys turning up and thinking that after a few weeks they will be Bruce Lee but not having the self discipline to actually put the hours in to learn and train and then they go away saying things like "dont bother with karate its like learning dance moves and putting them all together in the kata" and not understanding at all what kata are or why they exist. They probably don't understand what libraries are either.

The main thing I always told people looking for a martial art was to ask themselves exactly why they wanted to do it , ie, to fight or to be fit, and then to try various different types and styles within that area to find one that "fit" their outlook and body type.

We also used to have quite a few Israelis come over to train with our Japanese instructors - where do you think they farmed the unarmed parts of Krav Maga from? Answer , traditional martial arts styles.


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Originally Posted By: bockers


Instead of Rugby have you considered Hockey. Great way to get that fix of running that will keep osterparosis at bay smile


Still playing at 56!! Made some lifelong friends as well thumb

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Originally Posted By: Azzura
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Some forms of karate are fine; i did shukokai style for 5 years and it was a no-nonsense full contact, belts and competitions orientated. Kyushinkai is very traditional but brutal, no pads used - shotokan is rigid and dull.


It's not about the style of karate , it's about the way it is taught. Shotokan probably has the largest amount of students worldwide of any karate style but this very fact means that there are a lot of different associations and ways of teaching Shotokan and from direct personal experience quite a few of the people teaching it around the country are crap and don't understand the style.



Yes i think i'd agree with that - i went to 2 Shotokan dojos in Birmingham, the Temple and Suzuki. Both were highly rigid in their approach to both the training and the way you were treated and expected to behave in the dojo. At Suzuki particularly (4th dan i think back then) you were NEVER allowed to speak, were made to sit and meditate for ages and out of your lesson time you'd probably spend at most 50% actually learning anything.

Shukokai was more relaxed and the Sensie Eddie Daniels (7th Dan then) spent much more time on practical skills, things that would work in the street. There were people who wanted the ultra traditional styles and fair play to them, but most of us wanted a dynamic teaching style leading to plenty of action and success in belts and competition. In case it appears Eddie operated a sloppy dojo, nothing could be further from the truth and in fact whilst i was training there one of his students was the World Full Contact heavyweight champion. It was fun on the bags when he was training with us, bodies flying everywhere but hugely enjoyable. Norman Mckenzie, hmmmm, great fighter. And yet, Eddie insisted the first and best form of defence was to leg it and avoid confrontation. Any indiscipline he heard of and your license was revoked, no appeal!

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Re: Recommend me a martial art! [Re: barnacle] #1306054
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Brazilian Ju-Jitsu if you want the best. Everything else is second best in terms of self defence. Just look at any of the best mixed martial artists, 90% of them come from a BJJ background.



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Originally Posted By: proccy
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What about hurling, hockey played at head height shocked


Good point, well made.


Jeez i'd forgotten about Hurling - as a boy i used to watch the mad Irishmen playing it in the local park and stand amazed at the injuries sustained that never even paused play, let alone stop it. Absolute nutters and hard as rock shocked


And still the number one sport in Ireland. Great game of fitness and err skill !



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Originally Posted By: DanielTheManual
The one Steven Seagal does, Aikido with the Aikikai style laugh


I did Aikido for a few years, lots of fun and zero kicking. Genuinely fascinating martial art.

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Judo.

Potential to earn belts, no kicking/punching, more sedate than Karate, but equally as effective.

Used to do it when I was younger, got up to a brown belt - highest you could get before you were 18 and could get a black one.

Highly recommended.

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No one's mentioned Wing Chun?

It's one of the most effective martial arts out there and one of the quickest to learn.

It does look a little messy but it can be lethal.

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