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Re: 2.4 or not ??? #138940
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you just know this will end in tears, get the box of matches ready <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

adam, I have bought a jerry can <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I still reckon if i sold the crap heap, I really really wouldn't know what else to buy <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

have faith, it'll all come together <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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I still reckon if i sold the crap heap, I really really wouldn't know what else to buy <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Well with the money your spending on it you could buy pretty much anything !!

Think I'd be thumming my way through some TVR brochures if I was you <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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clutch.....this could be a real pain, I may have to go for a double type, or a costly single plate unsprung....not too keen & bit of research is still needed, as I REALLY REALLY want a big block coop, that CAN actually pootle about town, surely this IS the goal of a GOOD conversion <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Exactly <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />, this has been my main stumbling block for me as well.
I've driven several paddle clutched Coupes now, and reports about the twin plate clutch suggest its a lot less useable than the paddle!.

I really like driving a 360-370bhp Coupe that can idle sweetly and potter around in traffic <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />, makes the car feel more classy.

Please share your thoughts when the time comes, what you really need is a far higher diameter drive plate with friction material towards the outer part, or a stronger pressure plate, but maybe bigger master/slaves to offset the extra pedal pressure ?

good luck Taz! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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....Or buy a GTR and spend a few grand for 500bhp that's not even pushing the engine.

I've thought about options for my coop in say....6 months, and I have to say getting more out of my 2lr is going to prove really expensive without going to a 2.4 / 2.5, and it's not like the value of the car goes up with the work. If I decide I want much more power then it'll be time to move on for me. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Re: 2.4 or not ??? #138944
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<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

just to revive this "old" thread, amazing what gets posted in between <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

finally got round to having a 20 - 30 min drive in Barbz mota yesterday in sunny Kent.

impressions ?

Veryh smooth, considering its running only base boost, as he#s till running it in......so only pottling up to about 4.5k on mineral oil, to aid ring bedding in.

at 0.75bar, it still pulls like something that my coop can barely match at 1.4bar on my GT28R <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

the clutch....mixed impressions really.

VERY VERY slick conversion for a twin plate helix paddle clutch. Sure there is a tiny bit of judder below 2K if you don't give it enough reve, mainly because it GRIPS like a GORILLA <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> The only reservation & I mean "minor" is the heavy pedal, but not much can be done, at a guess, it's about 2.5times as heavy as the OEM clutch.....but still very easy to use, no fuss with shifting up / down, at any speed / in traffic.

very smooth action & I was used to driving it after about 10 mins, considering he has the quick shift conversion ( which I've never used before ).

Power delivery, well, hard to gauge, as because the coop is on base boost ( eg, the wastegate is basically loose ), his partuclar turbo, a GT30 0.80comp & 0.86tur give a little laggy impresssion, boost doesn't come in till 3.5k, but it does shift well before that, you canreally feel the extra 0.5l of extra shove off boost....very driveable, so much so, you can pull away in sixth almost from standstill <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

I would love to have another go when it's bedded in & up to 1.6bar again....


so, my choices......well, I am going for the same turbo, but with a smaller turbine housing to give me more lower down punch at a small sacrifice at top end......and let's face it, I am not really going to try to use it at 9k ( which it will be easily good for ) given that he has removed the balancer shafts ! In fact it gets smoother the more you rev it !, but I could only occasionally blip it to 5k <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

clutch you ask ? Well for now, I am going to try a more conventional single plate paddle sprung helix cerematallic for now & see what we can get out of the dog...i'm expecting circa 410 - 430 bhp...

the clutch should take this......although the twin plate will cope with 600 <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Now it's booked in, the fun begins.

The OEM ECU will still be tried in my coop as a guineapig, with a MAP ECU overlaid to see what we get....watch this space <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: 2.4 or not ??? #138945
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hey taz if you dont mind me asking how much is that costing ya? for the 2.4 conversion? cheers. i went it barbz car b4 the engine blew and my god! its fccuking fast! scary fast! lol loved every second of it tho! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Re: 2.4 or not ??? #138946
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ten grand

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<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

yup, bout that <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I'll make a "small" amount back <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />, as I'm gonna sell my new GT28R, bits of the old engine that are salvageable, the head & a few other bits.

it is a lot of money, but why not, only live once <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

anyways, am bout to purchase another car soon & it ain't a coop <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Taz <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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A diesel at all Taz?

Re: 2.4 or not ??? #138949
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s**t man was thinkin bout 2.4 but doubt it now wouldnt spend that much no way, only if i win the lottery <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> lol


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......well let the games begin <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

just had another spin in the 2.4 at 1.1bar, fcuuk......

no other coop i've been / seen even comes close to the rawness Barbz produces....I was actually chaning up at 5.5k, Barbz said he rarely changes up at less than 7.5K <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

ferocious, yet docile.

I'm going for a tad smaller than a GT30, something with a 0.64 housing, comp trim of about 0.76 I think.....should give good 2.5K - 6K power band...still good for 1.8bar.

Even Barbz mota at 1.1bar is frightening, the roads are just too small, yet he has had it up to 1.5 - 1.8 <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

so...2-3 weeks & mine will emerge from its cocoon <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Taz <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: 2.4 or not ??? #138951
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well, coop is now in bits <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> have no idea how to put her back together again <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

oh well, gotta scrap it <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />


only joking ( or am I ? )

on a side note, I am getting the final "remote oil filter" kit made up this week, so hopefully Think auto should offer this as a kit.

Point to note, the issue of tighening the 2 off hoses from the original oil filter location can be overcome by fitting the hoses first, then attacking the take off plate <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

oh.........

anybody want to buy a 2.5" downpipe & GT28R turbo ?

need to shift <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

infact, maybe my whole 2.5" system will be up for grabs soon <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


also on another sidenote, am looking into protecting the cambelt ( I know, a long time ago, Burnsy looked at this ) , but on the higer powered motors, the aux belts simply streches, then falls off, hence we may have to go for a modded toothed belt <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> ( oh, more headaches ! )

Taz <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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P.M. sent about exhaust and turbo. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Ask Rog about teh protection plate he was looking into making up and maybe making one up instead rog <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Taz, P.M. box full. P.M. me when clear so I can send you revised offer <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

Re: 2.4 or not ??? #138955
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Taz was right - I did look into making a plate to effectively prevent the aux belt snarling on the crank cam belt area.

I gave the template the the chap who bought my car off me some months ago.

Matt Lawrence was his name forum member #1757.

If you want to get a copy of the template drawing I made, I'd drop him a line.

Nice chap (unfortunately he had nothing but bad luck with my car) <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Did you manage to tack it down lads?

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No Matt <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

it's ok, we came up with another idea, took a bit of head scratching, but it builds on the original idea of using a plate to deflect the aux belt from the cambelt.

A certain person is having the prototype fitted, but this still doesn't cure the cause, that the aux belt may be strething under the rapid acceleration of the engine <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

a solution is avail, but it requires some machine work on the OEM pulleys.

good to see you still hovering about geez. I'm amazed I've kept my rust bucket, wot you driving now Matt ? Porsche ? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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is the solution a toothed belt at all?

What happens if you turn the alternator off so its not drawing any load from the belt and thus want be trying to slow it down as i would suspect that to be the main cause of the belt being slow to spin up and thus slipping other than the AC mind as the PAS pump does take much power compared to the others.

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......looked at a toothed belt, but it's a LOT of work Will, plus the other area is that you then shift the weak point ( possibly ) to the A/C belt.

It could be this is an isolated case, as Mavric & JohnS, haven't suffered with this phenomenon with belts coming off, so maybe a tensioner is bent <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

we'll see what happens <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Mavrics belt did snap though did it not?? im sure i recall at one meet just as he got on the M6 the belt went POP....

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Shifting the weak point is better as if the aux belt goes its got less chance of taking the cambelt out and is easier to isolate as well with just a plate <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Mavrics belt did snap though did it not?? im sure i recall at one meet just as he got on the M6 the belt went POP....

...went pop cos' it was old & cracked up, never kept an eye on it IIRC <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Cost him a cambelt if i remember correctly!!1

Ross

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I thought it had done less than its change interval to be hnest but he never posted up what happened... I know JohnS hasnt gone(that we know of) but he is pushing less power as wlel.

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as far as I know I'm running almost the same power at the wheels or within 5% of and I've not had the problem. Could easily be a dodgy tensioner though from Fiat.

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I guess so John, it does seem to be a one off, so we'll see <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I just want my coop back <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

it's slowly taking shape, but I don't mind as Barbz is doing the business as usual <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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what's wrong with a timing chain?

spending that amount of money on an engine, if this is at all possible, it has got to be worth a look.

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No-one has looked into one IIRC. it would be a nice mod but would mean a new solid casing would have to be made to encase it and all the grease within it as well.

Ive never heard of a chain going but guess it can still happen...

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chains do stretch, even cars with chain driven cams require a chain change. The belt is the right approach I think it is just that it isn't executed well enough perhaps.

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