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LED's in wing mirrors #1401566 05/01/2013 20:20 05/01/2013 20:20
J jobuguk Unregistered
jobuguk Unregistered J	Last year when i done my rear light conversion i had a few red LED's left over so i was thinking if the strips would possibly fit in the black finger at the back of the wing mirrors,so with a spare mirror i had, i made a prototype. Well while the coups off the road for the winter i've been doing a few bits and bobs to my car,the past couple of weeks i've been playing around with some yellow strip LED's and this what i've come up with!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/14762173@N05/8349613343/in/photostream I'll try and get some more photos of the LED's in the day time tomorrow. cheers JG

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1401568 05/01/2013 20:22 05/01/2013 20:22
S Steve_Smith Unregistered
Steve_Smith Unregistered S	I like that

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1401569 05/01/2013 20:32 05/01/2013 20:32
8 812112 Unregistered
812112 Unregistered 8	looks good, are the leds stuck on or are they inside?

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1401575 05/01/2013 20:42 05/01/2013 20:42
J jobuguk Unregistered
jobuguk Unregistered J	They are fitted inside the black finger with holes drilled through. JG

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1401602 05/01/2013 23:12 05/01/2013 23:12
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,614 Bucks jame5 I need some sleep
jame5 I need some sleep Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,614 Bucks	More pictures!!!

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1401604 05/01/2013 23:44 05/01/2013 23:44
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,609 Horsham, West Sussex Pondman I need some sleep
Pondman I need some sleep Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,609 Horsham, West Sussex	Do they take the feed from the side repeater? Ex owner of F14T LE - Vinci Grey LE

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: Pondman] #1401605 05/01/2013 23:58 05/01/2013 23:58
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 23,239 North Wales Theresa Former Presidentessa
Theresa Former Presidentessa Forum Fossil Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 23,239 North Wales	At last! After failing an attempt at doing this with crap leds 6 years ago, I've been waiting for someone to come along and get it sorted When are they going into production?

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1401622 06/01/2013 02:12 06/01/2013 02:12
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,725 London kj16v My life on the forum
kj16v My life on the forum Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,725 London	I hate LEDs on cars. Nonetheless, well done for the work. Looks well made in the video.

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: Theresa] #1401623 06/01/2013 03:14 06/01/2013 03:14
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,616 Oswestry Genic My life on the forum
Genic My life on the forum Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,616 Oswestry	Originally Posted By: Theresa At last! After failing an attempt at doing this with crap leds 6 years ago, I've been waiting for someone to come along and get it sorted When are they going into production? seconded, where do i send the deposit?

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: Pondman] #1401638 06/01/2013 08:34 06/01/2013 08:34
J jobuguk Unregistered
jobuguk Unregistered J	Originally Posted By: jame5 More pictures!!! I new you would like this one James I'll get some more photos uploaded later on today

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: Pondman] #1401641 06/01/2013 08:38 06/01/2013 08:38
J jobuguk Unregistered
jobuguk Unregistered J	Originally Posted By: Pondman Do they take the feed from the side repeater? Yes i did,

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: Theresa] #1401647 06/01/2013 09:11 06/01/2013 09:11
J jobuguk Unregistered
jobuguk Unregistered J	Originally Posted By: Theresa At last! After failing an attempt at doing this with crap leds 6 years ago, I've been waiting for someone to come along and get it sorted When are they going into production? Theresa, NO way!!! Just to put 6 LED's in a black finger was a long and fiddly job as you well know, took all day plenty of tea,Golden virginia and strip half the bloody car to wire them up and that's just one side. Mind you i am a slow old git with failing eye sight and a telly in the garage watching football aswell as doing the car

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1401662 06/01/2013 09:58 06/01/2013 09:58
N nismo Unregistered
nismo Unregistered N	Nice job jobug . You need to do a how too when you do the next one .

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1401673 06/01/2013 10:39 06/01/2013 10:39
C crazylegs Unregistered
crazylegs Unregistered C	Nismo I bet you have been having sleepless nights over these. Mine mine mine mine. Lol.

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1401699 06/01/2013 12:37 06/01/2013 12:37
N nismo Unregistered
nismo Unregistered N	no mate Jame5 has taken the led crown now , just something i always wanted to do but never got round to doing it .

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1401709 06/01/2013 14:21 06/01/2013 14:21
C crazylegs Unregistered
crazylegs Unregistered C	you you denial is a hard thing to see.

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1401856 06/01/2013 21:56 06/01/2013 21:56
J jobuguk Unregistered
jobuguk Unregistered J	As promised i took some more photos today in the day light so you can see what the LED's look like when they are not on as you can see there is only 6,behind the black finger there is not enough room to fit any more. Here's another quick vid of them all working http://www.flickr.com/photos/14762173@N05/8355190846/in/photostream To wire them up you pick up the feed from each side indicator (for each side) LED wing mirror. Front wing has to be unbolted at the top,and the door card has to be taken off. I've threaded the wire from the outside into the door then through a little hole i made in the middle of the rubber hose where the wiring loom goes from the car to the door then to the side indicator loom. Here's a couple of photos of LED's in the black finger at the back,i'll have to go into more depth about these during the week,i'll try and sort a how to out but some of my photos did'nt turn out very well. But if you do this mod the LED's have to go exactly where they are as in the first photo and use the off cut 6 LED's with tipex to mark the inside of the finger. The wing mirrors are the most time consuming part of this project, check and pre fit two or three times before finally fitting. The LED's will only fit on one side of the finger at the back the widest part witch is the bottom part of the finger when fitted to the wing mirror,also the two little ridges where the LED's sit have to filed down so the LED's sit flush. JG Last edited by jobuguk; 06/01/2013 22:11. Reason: more info about LED's

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1401924 07/01/2013 00:10 07/01/2013 00:10
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,616 Oswestry Genic My life on the forum
Genic My life on the forum Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,616 Oswestry	nice job joe , thanks for the pics.

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1402332 08/01/2013 22:58 08/01/2013 22:58
8 812112 Unregistered
812112 Unregistered 8	would it pass an mot if you were to take the wing repeater away and flush it off?

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1402360 09/01/2013 00:47 09/01/2013 00:47
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 23,239 North Wales Theresa Former Presidentessa
Theresa Former Presidentessa Forum Fossil Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 23,239 North Wales	Depends where you go By law, the Coupe should have a side repeater, but MOT standards say they can't test what's not present. I haven't had side repeaters for 6 years now, hence my constant interest in wing mirror repeaters. My main concern is not the MOT though, it's that someone can't see that I'm turning, unless they've seen the front of the car approaching them froma distance.

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1402362 09/01/2013 00:48 09/01/2013 00:48
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 23,239 North Wales Theresa Former Presidentessa
Theresa Former Presidentessa Forum Fossil Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 23,239 North Wales	Originally Posted By: jobuguk As promised i took some more photos today in the day light so you can see what the LED's look like when they are not on as you can see there is only 6,behind the black finger there is not enough room to fit any more. Here's another quick vid of them all working http://www.flickr.com/photos/14762173@N05/8355190846/in/photostream To wire them up you pick up the feed from each side indicator (for each side) LED wing mirror. Front wing has to be unbolted at the top,and the door card has to be taken off. I've threaded the wire from the outside into the door then through a little hole i made in the middle of the rubber hose where the wiring loom goes from the car to the door then to the side indicator loom. Here's a couple of photos of LED's in the black finger at the back,i'll have to go into more depth about these during the week,i'll try and sort a how to out but some of my photos did'nt turn out very well. But if you do this mod the LED's have to go exactly where they are as in the first photo and use the off cut 6 LED's with tipex to mark the inside of the finger. The wing mirrors are the most time consuming part of this project, check and pre fit two or three times before finally fitting. The LED's will only fit on one side of the finger at the back the widest part witch is the bottom part of the finger when fitted to the wing mirror,also the two little ridges where the LED's sit have to filed down so the LED's sit flush. JG So, when are they going into production?

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1402387 09/01/2013 07:07 09/01/2013 07:07
8 812112 Unregistered
812112 Unregistered 8	That was 1 of my questions. They have to be able to be seen from all angles. But why would you want 2 repeaters on 1 side lol.

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1402440 09/01/2013 11:10 09/01/2013 11:10
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 23,239 North Wales Theresa Former Presidentessa
Theresa Former Presidentessa Forum Fossil Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 23,239 North Wales	I wouldn't have two repeaters on one side though. As mentioned above, I haven't had side repeaters on the car for about 6 years, as I have vented wings and have never wanted to ruin the look of them by drilling holes for side repeaters, hence my desire for wing mirror repeaters

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1402450 09/01/2013 11:28 09/01/2013 11:28
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 8,121 Lightwater, Surrey UK DaveG Club Treasurer Member 311
DaveG Club Treasurer Member 311 Je suis un Coupé Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 8,121 Lightwater, Surrey UK	IIRC, when side repeaters started to be used on cars, they were originally placed ahead of the front wheels on the front wings, but over time, they've moved back to behind the front wheels, or into wing mirrors). I'm not sure that they need to be seen "from all angles", surely just the front/side (the original intention was eg: so that your signal would be visible as you edged out of a side road at a junction) but best check what the MOT Tester's manual says! 1996 Portofino 20vt & 2000 Pearl White Plus 1985½ & 2016 2017 Fiat 124 Spider + XF Sportbrake

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1402464 09/01/2013 12:28 09/01/2013 12:28
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,562 Northampton England Sedicivalvole Forum is my life
Sedicivalvole Forum is my life Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,562 Northampton England	Good to see this finally happening Vinci Grey LE Alfa 147 GTA 3.2 V6 BMW E92 M3 4.0 V8 Fiat Tipo Sedicivalvole 2.0 16v ABS

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1402544 09/01/2013 18:00 09/01/2013 18:00
J jobuguk Unregistered
jobuguk Unregistered J	Originally Posted By: 812112 That was 1 of my questions. They have to be able to be seen from all angles. But why would you want 2 repeaters on 1 side lol. I don't know about the legal side of these LED"s? I agree i think if you have side repeaters on wing mirrors with cars they have to be seen from all angles,thats why i left the wing repeaters on for the time being. And the answer to your other question is it's not been done before on a coupe, people have tried before with no success, i wanted to see if it can be done, and the big thing is i like them not every body's taste!! but mine JG

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1402591 09/01/2013 21:06 09/01/2013 21:06
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 8,121 Lightwater, Surrey UK DaveG Club Treasurer Member 311
DaveG Club Treasurer Member 311 Je suis un Coupé Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 8,121 Lightwater, Surrey UK	Have a look here at the relevant section of the MOT Tester's manual From this I conclude that Theresa ought to be in trouble: Originally Posted By: MOT Testers Manual Vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must be fitted with one side repeater indicator on each side. (...unless fitted with a front wraparound lens which can be seen when standing 1m to the side of the rear bumper) If at least half of the new wonder-LED's can be seen directly when standing at the same 1m position to the side of the rear bumper, then I'm sure you could argue that they're acceptable. But since the "finger" part of the mirror points to the front, they won't be seen from the rear. I've noticed a few side/rear view mirrors on new cars where the outside egde of the casing is illuminated, so it can be seen from "all directions" as hinted by others above...I stand corrected How about also fitting LED's behind the mirror, facing backwards? You'd need to carefully scrape off 6 neat little holes in the silver backing of the mirror to match up with the LED's... 1996 Portofino 20vt & 2000 Pearl White Plus 1985½ & 2016 2017 Fiat 124 Spider + XF Sportbrake

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1402594 09/01/2013 21:18 09/01/2013 21:18
8 812112 Unregistered
812112 Unregistered 8	Well lets keep that quiet then lol. Are you suggesting to actually have the mirror backing scraped off and have the leds glued from behind? Or have the leds mounted on the inside of the case to illuminate the edge of the mirror glass??

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1402627 09/01/2013 23:14 09/01/2013 23:14
J jobuguk Unregistered
jobuguk Unregistered J	Originally Posted By: 812112 Or have the leds mounted on the inside of the case to illuminate the edge of the mirror glass?? I think that would be one option seeing the LED's from the rear,but by the time you have walked around towards the front of the car there my be a point by the time you have got to the side that you would not see them at all. I noticed today driving to work in my lorry while following a new car the orange bulb/glass was right on the end/edge of the wing mirror so the light could be seen from rear,side,front all the time. So i'm sure these LED's that i've done on my coupe wing mirror are like i said before are not a replacement for the side indicator on the wing they are just a cosmetic thing. Bling,chav,boy racer,but in my case OLD boy racer JG

Re: LED's in wing mirrors [Re: ] #1402633 09/01/2013 23:48 09/01/2013 23:48
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 23,239 North Wales Theresa Former Presidentessa
Theresa Former Presidentessa Forum Fossil Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 23,239 North Wales	Originally Posted By: jobuguk and the big thing is i like them not every body's taste!! but mine Mine too! So, when are they going into production? This is going to be my response each time now Originally Posted By: DaveG From this I conclude that Theresa ought to be in trouble: Originally Posted By: MOT Testers Manual Vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must be fitted with one side repeater indicator on each side. Yes, I'm very aware of this law and that's why I want wing mirror repeaters. I've got away with it for 6 years now

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