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Some of the most unreliable cars......are German!
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16/04/2015 20:42
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32332210Well I never and the stick we get for owning a Fiat. I think Ford coming so high up is a real achievement
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Re: Some of the most unreliable cars......are German!
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16/04/2015 22:00
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so Peugeot must have improved then, probably because they are no longer built in Cov !!
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Re: Some of the most unreliable cars......are German!
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17/04/2015 08:10
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Have to remember that the rankings are a mixture of reliability and cost to repair the fault. Expensive to repair cars will naturally sink to the bottom even with relatively simple faults because the parts and labour prices are so high for premium brands.
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Re: Some of the most unreliable cars......are German!
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Maybe they don't leave you stranded very often, but "modern faults" seem to be hard to find and painfully expensive to fix, so cars that typically throw up less faults are still important for most car owners.
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Re: Some of the most unreliable cars......are German!
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22/04/2015 10:59
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The problem I suspect with most modern cars is down to the electronics. I design stuff to work in *horrible* conditions - much worse than a car - and it's *hard* to do properly. In particular, managing heat and induced noise can be tricky, and connectors and wiring can be an issue.
When you take the number of sensors and multiple digital control messages running across canbus, and the fact that different parts of the system will have been written by different teams with differing levels of expertise... it's a recipe for a potential disaster. We're in a situation where (e.g. - I don't know if this has actually happened!) a live update to a suspension setting can be interfered with by someone changing the channel on the radio, or an indicator bulb announcing that it has died. They *shouldn't* interfere, but it's impossible to test every combination of possibilities.
The actual mechanical parts of an engine, suspension, or gearbox are old and mature tech. The designers understand them thoroughly, and while they will design down to a cost it's unusual for an engine to go bang, without some contributing factor like 6,000rpm and no oil.
But fault-finding on a canbus? Sometimes even the messages from the fault-finding tool can change the timing of other messages so that the fault disappears. Everything needs to self monitor and report, and you need an expert to identify issues. If you just have a kid from spanner college, you can only identify a faulty unit, and lo and behold, that costs a fortune to fix.
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Re: Some of the most unreliable cars......are German!
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23/04/2015 09:47
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It's also worth mentioning that everything nowadays is instantly in the spotlight. If you have problems with your new car, you will be sharing the pain on Twitter and other social media, turning an unlucky, minor, irritating molehill into something of a virtual mountain. Indeed Jim, have you not done this yourself with regards to your mini clubman? It's accountability and there is nowt wrong with that whether it is as a consumer or campaigning for justice and civil rights the internet has helped champion the common man/woman. Sure there are pitfalls and disinformation but on the whole the 'collective' voice has had a huge impact for the better, hence why the corporations, governments and the 'establishment' around the world are desperate to control or censor it.
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