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Warning -braided hoses. tech issues #130389
11/06/2006 18:51
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I decided to change my brake hoses today as I was worried about the braided ones after IIRC Nigel had a problem .
when I took the first one I discovered this <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

If anybody has braided hoses please check them as soon as you can.

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i was told that goodridge had to up date there hoses for the coop as thay didnt have the rubber stopper things and the size was not quite right, i.e your pic , could happen, i wonder if you got a set of the old ones maybe?


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I also had the rubber rings .I bought my hoses about 18 months ago so I dont know if they are the old type or not.



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Gareth - keep the hose - get in touch with Goodridge (at Exeter) straight away - quote my name if you have to.

The should send you a 3rd generation hose - shorter than standard

You were lucky - mine were like that - right up to the point where I practiced an emergency stop at about 100mph - the hose burst, leaving me with the (useless) handbrake and the gearbox to bring it to a halt.


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Now turned into a sticky thread

To ANYONE with braided hoses (regardless of make, although only Goddridge have failed so far) - you should have them instected NOW

My two failures have both been under semi-controlled conditions (was testing the brakes, as they felt a little "off")

If anyone has brake hoses in the same condition as the piccy link above, they are an accident waiting to happen

PLEASE check NOW!


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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130395
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I've had some aeroquip braided brake hoses come of my car in an equally nasty state.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/paddy0d/IMG_1892.jpg

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So for those of us with braided hoses (I was advised by Paul at Motormech to change mine), should we change to standard ones, or are there some braided hoses that don't break-down like this?


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they need careful installation.

not twisted , not binding and NOT RUBBING.

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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130398
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Goodridge were not so proactive in offering to exchange my freying hoses ! Rog fitted some standard ones back on for me as I didn't have the time to chase it through . If I were Goodridge, I would be shipping out the new hoses as quickly as possible as this is a serious risk. If they were an OEM it would be a recall, no question.

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There are only so many ways you can install a brake hose. Goodridge have blamed the problem on inncorrect fitting, but that's thier get out clause. You have to be a total monkey to fit them wrong IMO....


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My driversside one is fine as it's short enough not to rub on the body, but my passenger side appears longer and has rubbed on the body and has frayed. No idea if they are Goodridge ones because they were fitted when I bought the car.


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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130401
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The one pictured above is also from the passenger side.
This is not a problem with fitting. It should be at least 40mm shorter IMO.
I have the standard OEM ones on now.



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Ok update, goodridge in essex havent email me back since i asked about getting the type3 hose's, even offering to send mine back first and no reply. guess ill have to phone them tomorrow and quote nigels name to get this sorted


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My hose jurst burst at 120 leptons

Running through some b-roads, a load of traffic had been held up behind a tractor , when the tractor finally pulled over, a lot were stuck behind an old people carrier.

A straight comes up,.. I floor it 1.3 bar and she's off like a rocket, 4 cars in a blink, but what's this ahead, a stationary queue !! , by now I'm at 120, I brake hard , down to 100 and then I felt a POP!!!!! ,.. brake pedal straight to the floor

Immediately I change down and yank the handbreak up,.. this road is narrow and the rears suprisingly have locked up , maybe the handbreak does do something after all,.. plumes and plumes of tyre smoke from the rear of the car and the back of the car is fishtailing.

Somehow bring the car to a halt, and VERY slowly to the garage

I'd guessed what the problem is, that ALMOST was so bad

Fluid leaking from the drivers hose
I'm going to fit standing hoses now

Moral :

Don't drive too fast

Check and/or change thoses hoses

regards
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Blimey Joe thank god you're ok, that could have been very very nasty for you and others.

Get that standard hoses on now !

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horror story doc glad your ok mate


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Indeed doc, glad your safe and sound and one reason why when the coop comes back, possibly before if i can get the bits down to iceberg, i want to fit the type3's and keep my old hoses and get the new rear pads in as well


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Bloody hell Joe - at least I was only doing 110 when my hose burst AND I was on a straight wide road (although the roundabout at the end would have been difficult at much over 40)

Amazing how good a Coupe handbrake is when you're trying to rip the bugger out of the floor

Which version of braided hose were you running?


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Cheers Guys, I was full of adrenaline and didnt feel frightened, but i know I had the strength of the Hulk when I pulled that handbrake up!

Nigel, they were hoses from BigLads group buy several years ago, I don't know what make they were unfortunately.

I'd had the missus and kids driving round in it at the weekend, glad they were'nt there.

I'm fitting standard hoses on now, the braided ones only seemed to make a marginal difference for me anyhow.

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Ah well, at least Goodridge will be pleased to know its not just their hoses that are failing.

BTW - my "3rd generation" Goodridge hoses are still fine - checked fairly often


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Bloomin heck.... I thought I was bad this morning when I nearly ran over a stray lamb (hmmm..... roast lamb)

Note to self - change over my handbrake cables


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Cr&p - glad you're OK Joe.... where did the hose go - in the middle due to fraying - or at the end where it joins the fitting?


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note to all,
Goodridge wont deal with people at all now.

They say take them back to where you bought them from and get them to sort it

Also they say its not due to design, its due to how they are fitted.....

Anyway i guess ill have to see if H has the reciept for them so i can see what i can do about this mess now


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I've not seen the hoses yet, or seen where it was leaking, I think the mechanic is on the case at the moment.

As Goodridge have modified the disign then surely that means that a problem was known about.

tbh it probably costs them a lot less to try to fend off litigation by individuals rather than try and do a recall system. Admitting any sort of liability is a financial worm hole for them.

doesnt help us of course

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All it takes is for someone to be injured or killed because of these, and litigation is bound to happen, especially if the hose is found to have failed by the accident investigators.

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Scary stuff. Glad you got away with that one Doc. These braided hoses are just not worth the risk.

Mind you, check your standard front hoses too. My MOT report says my 18-month old ones which have done less than 6,000 miles are 'slightly deteriorated'. Not a major cause for concern, but worth keeping an eye on them.

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Mine frayed and went at the other end to the caliper, but I don't trust the braided hoses now, although the pedal is noticeably slightly softer in feel

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Did you have goodridge ones Joe??


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