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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130419
18/07/2006 23:57
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I'm not sure, they were from BigLads group buy 3 yrs ago, sorry.

Maybe the new hoses would be fine, but I would only consider them if I had the wheels off regularly to check them to my satisfaction.

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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130420
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If they are goodridge hoses they have a lifetime warranty and when i finally get them fitted to my coop if i do keep her, ill certainly hold them to it each and everytime they brake.. and wear and tear dont cut it with me, lifetime means everything considered as you cant wear the sods out of they are meant to last that long!


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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130421
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Lifetime warranty usually means they are covered for manufacturing defects for the life of the item, not your lifetime.

I'm sure they'll just claim they were fitted incorrectly or were past their usable lifespan.

It's odd how one of the simplest parts on the Coupé has caused so many problems and nearly caused several serious accidents (a miracle they haven't yet IMO). I changed mine back to standard after Nigel's first post and didn't notice much difference. Rears are still on the Goodrich though, as there are no known issues for these yet.

Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130422
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am still using the PRO-RS ones on my car.

its been ages.

Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130423
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There's no need to take the wheels off - just turn to full lock and you can see them well enough. You can also see where they rub on the bodyshell.


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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130424
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Suba is right - full lock then feel the hose with your fingers - you'll be able to feel any frayed bits - check the whole length from the union at the shock absorber, all the way to the inner wheelarch union.


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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130425
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Be carefull when feeling for the frayed bits because a broken frayed strand is very painful when it punctures the skin


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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130426
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Quote:

It's odd how one of the simplest parts on the Coupé has caused so many problems and nearly caused several serious accidents (a miracle they haven't yet IMO).




You never know, may be it has happened just the poor driver would never had a chance to tell the world afterwards.




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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130427
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Just a thought here what about sleeving the fronts with a bit of spliced rubber hose for that added pretection? I think i will be putting them on myself soon and it's a thinkg we used to do on the karts where we had similar problems with cables and hoses.


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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130428
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Judging by other stories I got away with things quite lightly. One of my braided hoses on the front popped on Monday. Luckily it was on the rolling road during the mot.

Spoke to Steve at Alternative Autos who supplied the hoses. He confirmed they have a lifetime guarantee and said to send them back to him for a refund.

Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130429
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Does anyone know what is causing the hoses to fray?

I fitted the ones from Big Lad to my coupe but remember that the gromit thingys didnt fit, I tried a few different things and in the end found that Mondeo ones fitted perfect.

Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130430
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They either flex and break at the point where the hose meets the connector - or they rub at about the halfway point on the chassis and fray when you turn the steering wheel.


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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130431
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By the way, what do non-braided (factory fitted) hoses look like?

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He confirmed they have a lifetime guarantee




Lifetime of what, or whom, exactly?


Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130432
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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130433
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Quote:

Just a thought here what about sleeving the fronts with a bit of spliced rubber hose for that added pretection?





hi.

i've had the PRO-RS ones on my car for over 2 years and
they've survived numerous trackdays.

installation is of paramount importance. They must not bind,
not scufff nor rub , against anything. I sleeve mine with
plastic electrical helical wrap and also retain the OE
rubber donuts (held in the correct position with zipties).

I fitted them myself and it wasn't a big job. Just don't
allow the fluid to drain dry.

cheers.
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Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130434
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thats quite a shock that is, i were going to put some braided pipes on mine but i dont think i'll bother now, i think i'll just purchase some new ones from fiat

Re: DANGER - braided hoses. #130435
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thats quite a shock that is, i were going to put some braided pipes on mine but i dont think i'll bother now, i think i'll just purchase some new ones from fiat




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The whole reason we buy fiats is the uncertanty.We like the RAC and we like not knowing if the car will start again if we turn it off.If we wanted reliability we would buy a honda accord.But there boring,we like danger and fitting these hoses is just another step.Get them bought furry..


V IMPORTANT - Goodridge hose recall #155922
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I've spoken with Steve at Alternative Autos today - Godridge have told him they are initiating a recall on all Goodridge braided hoses fitted to the front of Coupe 20VTs (no other models are affected, and rears ar fine)

Steve says if you bought Goodridge braided hoses through him, contact him ASAP and he will sort everything - 01484 865086

If you purchased them elsewhere, get in touch with the retailer NOW and sort it out. Its conceivable that lesser retailers may deny knowledge, or try to fob you off with a story that you should go direct to Goodridge. Don't put up with this - you have rights - exercise them.

If you have no joy, report the retailer to Goodridge and they will be compelled to take action.

There have now been several failures of 1st and 2nd generation Goodridge hoses - thankfully, none have led to personal injury, but a recent case has led to a driver having to use a kerb to stop his car.

The 3rd generation hose (which I have on my car) appears to be OK - I check them regularly, as you might expect.


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Re: V IMPORTANT - Goodridge hose recall #155923
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Is it worth keeping even your updated ones on there Nigel? I'd have thought it'd be safer to return to standard hoses no matter how often you check them.

Has there ever been an incident of the standard OE hoses failing?

Re: V IMPORTANT - Goodridge hose recall #155924
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Has there ever been an incident of the standard OE hoses failing




Apparently, yes, but I can't say I've ever heard of it happening.

I have a feeling that the failures of standard hoses are confined to internal collapses, rather than bursting or splitting, so the failure is far less spectacular or dangerous.


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Re: V IMPORTANT - Goodridge hose recall #155925
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Nigel - I got mine from demon tweeks as steve was out... they replaced them for an upgraded set already last year, presumably 3rd gen, will call them and check though.

Are they simply supplying a 3rd gen set of hoses free?

I reckon I'll go back to standard hoses at the next fuild change anyway...


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Re: V IMPORTANT - Goodridge hose recall #155926
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Thanks for the reminder Nigel . Steve sent me a note the other day, and I've been meaning to contact him to sort this out, but am just waiting to get my car back .

Hopefully should be able to get some 3rd generation hoses sorted, before I have any major problems with my 1st/2nd .

Phil


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Re: V IMPORTANT - Goodridge hose recall #155927
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So what about the cost of taking off and fitting 3 sets of hoses now, directly down to their incompetence in making something fit for purpose? I reckon that must be approaching £200. Plus, I don't want braided at the rear and standard hoses at the front, it is not recommended so are they going to refund those as well, plus the fitting charge for replacements?

Re: V IMPORTANT - Goodridge hose recall #155928
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I bet you that goodridge would try and say its down to you and the retailer, which i dont think it is, but im often wrong, and then try and blame bad fitment. and seeing as they have back all the 1st/2nd type hoses they will destroy all evidence or mock something up if someone tried the small claims court though it could be an idea for the fitting, fluid, removal, standard jobbies, fitting, removal(once u recieve type 3 hoses), fitting, fluid..... soon add's up


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Re: V IMPORTANT - Goodridge hose recall #155929
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Sounds like it's not just me having a rough time at the moment.

I'll give Proven Products a ring a bit later and see what they say.

I check my front hoses weekly, not yet found anything untoward, yet!


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E-mailed Steve last night, and apparently Goodridge are sending me replacements as I type . Let's hope his faith in them is justified .

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Re: V IMPORTANT - Goodridge hose recall #155931
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Just spoke to demon tweeks - they have no idea whether the replacements they sent me a while ago are 2nd or third Generation without me giving them the part number - lovely.


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Re: V IMPORTANT - Goodridge hose recall #155932
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Your contract is with your retailer who sold you the hoses not with the supplier - so if there is any cost associated with refitting I think you may have to ask your supplier. I don't think you stand much chance though to be honest

I had an EGT sensor break and drop into my turbo. Demon Tweeks who supplied the sensor (that clearly had a design fault) said they wouldn't even give me a refund or exchange if I couldn't give them the broken off piece of the sensor that is probably lodged in my backbox at a guess. And of course they wouldn't pay for the labour to take my turbo off and inspect/pay for any potential damage.

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I spoke to James at Goodridge today

It may not be necessary to change the hoses.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the version 2 hoses. As we know the problem is caused by the braiding rubbing against the plastic liner and fraying through to the inner pipe. James said that it depends on how they have been fitted and if any protection has been afforded them.

For example, mine have been on for 18 months and show no signs of decay at all. They are checked for any abrasion on a regular basis. And just in case they do rub, they are also protected by a shot piece of tough rubber tube that is changed regularly.


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Well they never supplied doughnuts with them like the standard hoses did they so all i can say is that shows their design of the product for its intended use isnt strong enough.

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