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Modern Classics
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bayliss
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Front cover image ‘Best GT’s of the 90’s’ haven’t purchased a copy yet but will likely order online.
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Re: Modern Classics
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14/04/2020 11:33
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Thanks Bayliss. Only £3.99 - ordered online
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Re: Modern Classics
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15/04/2020 16:07
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Good spot Bayliss and nice to see it's got pole position on the cover! Members car anyone know?
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Re: Modern Classics
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17/04/2020 11:23
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Good spot Bayliss and nice to see it's got pole position on the cover! Members car anyone know? Yes it belongs to one of our club members.
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Re: Modern Classics
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18/04/2020 17:24
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Interesting that they've placed the coupe in the 'GT' bracket. Not the category I'd have placed it to be honest ..
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Re: Modern Classics
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18/04/2020 20:58
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I think the GT category is a good choice. What would you describe the car category as, out of interest? I like it as a GT. 2 doors, 4 seats, A/C. Seems a perfect fit. Certainly not an out and out sports car and thank god, not a family car.
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Re: Modern Classics
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19/04/2020 20:02
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Combination of performance and luxury for long distance driving. Either 2 x seater or 2 + 2. Common set up front engine and rwd (wiki - but quite accurate imho). Does the coupe tick many of these boxes? Let's face it the coupe is a family friendly, usefully booted shopping trolley with a decent dollop of performace in an eye catching Italian wrapping. A GT? Nope....soz
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20/04/2020 16:15
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According to Wikipedia:
A grand tourer (GT) is a type of sports car that is designed for high speed and long-distance driving, due to a combination of performance and luxury attributes.
Yes I would definitely agree. Its very relaxed at speed and (assuming the exhaust is standard and not 'noise enhanced'). Certainly more GT than my Ford Puma Black!
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Re: Modern Classics
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21/04/2020 10:06
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What were the other categories that I could have been placed in?
For the Turbo, GT is probably fine. Sports cars would probably need to handle a bit more sharply. The NAs are a little too slow to be real GTs. They are not even close to effortless enough.
Luxury? Probably OK for the price they were originally sold at but they are rather lightly made to feel like a top-notch car. Thin floors, and fairly standard quality fittings makes it hard to pull of the luxury bit.
But they are stylish cars that have aged really well (excluding the ones that have corroded away). Almost timeless. That's what makes them desirable.
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Re: Modern Classics
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22/04/2020 16:41
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The NAs are a little too slow to be real GTs. They are not even close to effortless enough. How do you define 'effortless', Neil? From Calais to Berlin it's top gear all the way, bar the occasional fuel stop. I'm having difficulty working out where the difficulty is. Neil
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22/04/2020 19:28
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I see the 20vt/16vt as a definite GT car, Grand Touring because it is a coupe with bespoke styling, enough power for effortless cruising and overtakes,good fuel range/mpg, comfortable for up to 4 persons, has decent luggage capacity. Comfort and performance = a Grand Tourer.
Contemporaries for the Coupe as a GT include the GTV (Grand Touring Vitesse) which given it's name was seen and marketed as a fast GT type car by AR.
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Re: Modern Classics
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24/04/2020 15:24
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Modern cars are pretty fast in comparison these days so there is no reserve when others are being aggressive.
When being relaxed and just cruising in not too much traffic it's really fine. Compare it to my other GT, which is probably more of a traditional GT, the FIAT can be quite a lot more work and less relaxing, just like any other car without that much power. A GT is supposed to cover distances with ease. A 140 bhp Coupe doesn't always manage the ease. However, it wasn't priced like a real GT, so I'm not complaining, just saying that real GTs have always offered a little more.
Btw, just been to check over my 20V. It's been derusted and completely resprayed. Looks really good again. It gets a final polish and we pick it up next week. Next port is a complete suspension refresh. Like I said before, we still like ours very much, and take the "difficulties" as part of the deal.
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Re: Modern Classics
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28/04/2020 16:46
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At the end of the day Luxury can mean different things to different people. At the time it was released it was indeed a highly specked car but not in the 'no expense spared category' as it was meant to be an affordable luxury GT. I would doubt if many of the surviving examples can be thought of as luxury against current releases but that's really not the point of owning this car. Its a car that is spirited to drive and rewards with a lot of bespoke driving pleasure.
If you are lucky enough to own one in very good condition, or at least with a few optional extras and everything works (and the suspension is either largely replaced or a low mileage car) then you have a fair degree of 'luxury' and can appreciate how these cars were meant to drive. By the time they are well into the 100K miles, had several owners messed around with then the GT nature is sadly often a bit compromised. A well maintained, treasured 20VT (perhaps with sensible upgrades but standard exhaust) is a rare but still remarkable beast that is not tiring at all over very long journeys. Just put a cheap or performance exhaust on and it becomes a lot more tiring, for instance, but people will 'fiddle' with the spec of their cars for fun, even if it often detracts from 'luxury driving' and the result is most of these cars are no longer recognised as 'luxury' but rather just an 'over-tweaked has-been'.
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Re: Modern Classics
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28/04/2020 17:37
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Yup - sorry I mentioned it now Let's not come to blows over this at the July meet (If it goes ahead that is)
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Re: Modern Classics
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29/04/2020 15:31
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At the end of the day Luxury can mean different things to different people. At the time it was released it was indeed a highly specked car but not in the 'no expense spared category' as it was meant to be an affordable luxury GT. I would doubt if many of the surviving examples can be thought of as luxury against current releases but that's really not the point of owning this car. Its a car that is spirited to drive and rewards with a lot of bespoke driving pleasure.
If you are lucky enough to own one in very good condition, or at least with a few optional extras and everything works (and the suspension is either largely replaced or a low mileage car) then you have a fair degree of 'luxury' and can appreciate how these cars were meant to drive. By the time they are well into the 100K miles, had several owners messed around with then the GT nature is sadly often a bit compromised. A well maintained, treasured 20VT (perhaps with sensible upgrades but standard exhaust) is a rare but still remarkable beast that is not tiring at all over very long journeys. Just put a cheap or performance exhaust on and it becomes a lot more tiring, for instance, but people will 'fiddle' with the spec of their cars for fun, even if it often detracts from 'luxury driving' and the result is most of these cars are no longer recognised as 'luxury' but rather just an 'over-tweaked has-been'. Exhausts on the Coupes appear to be your penchant Kevin? Can't see a problem with this thread it's a debate...ownership of the Coupe puts us in a better position to debate it's merits more so than many so called motoring journalists.
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Re: Modern Classics
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29/04/2020 21:06
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Ha ha yes indeed...the bane of my life! Agreed just sharing opinions is interesting.
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Re: Modern Classics
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30/04/2020 18:20
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