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New grade E10 fuel #1648904
25/02/2021 23:41
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This is how it should have come out of Torino!
Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1648905
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Everyone needs to get remapped and use Super! cool



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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1648906
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I've never used anything else but the 5 year timeline doesn't bode well.

What are the options when they turn the tap off?


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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1648908
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The concern has always been the possible damage ethanol fuel causes to the lines and seals etc, we've been filling with 5% for the past few years without any issue I can't see 10% making much of a difference, in fact Rocket Ronnie has been on E85 now for nearly 10 years and the only issues I've had are the paper fuel filters break down quicker then petrol so it now has a stainless design, the engine, injectors and fuel pump are all still from the original build with teflon fuel lines so for now I think we should just use Super and when the times comes have a remap to be sure the fuelling is correct for E10.

Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1648909
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I'm just about to change over to E85 based on the fact there are several 20vt running it here in France. One fella has been on it for the last 10 years using the car as a daily without any ethanol related issues - obviously after a remap.

In the UK I would use it as an opportunity to change to more modern EV14 injectors (especially if your injectors are original and bit "iffy" and the lack of OEM spares) and then remap. Its an opportunity!!! yipee


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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1651587
22/06/2021 14:28
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Just heard an advert on the radio saying pre-2011 model cars may not be compatible.

Is super/vpower/99 Ron not affected by this?

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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1651588
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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Welformed] #1651596
22/06/2021 20:21
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Just been on HMGs comparability website and the coupe's not mentioned - typical rolleyes


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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1651607
23/06/2021 11:35
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Here is the link to the government E10 vehicle compatibility site. frown

https://check-vehicle-compatibility-e10-petrol.service.gov.uk/manufacturer/

Is this sort of thing likely to happen to diesel fuel as well or will they just turn off the taps completely????
As well as the coupe, my 2.2JTS Alfa looks affected by the move to E10 as well. shocked


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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1651610
23/06/2021 13:24
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According to that article I posted the net result is e10 fuel will burn hotter even though ethanol burns cooler. So we're all going to need timing remaps?

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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Brilly1uk] #1651612
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Doesn't impact on diesels apparently but wonder how MOT emissions may ultimately be an issue between E5 and E10 vehicles?

I know fuel additives are questionable but Miller's sell the Ecomax fluid where a £15 bottle treats 500 litres and gets rave reviews 'can increase octane rating by two numbers' is the claim.

Alternatively do one full tank of E5 then when half full top up with E10 then the same again when half full so there's still some E5 in the tank? Then back to a full E5 fill. Dunno if that would make any difference..

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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1651619
23/06/2021 19:21
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I thought the majority of people who run fiat coupe turbos were already running super unleaded so makes them changing normal unleaded not really an issue

Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1651623
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I was about to ask about E10 fuel and using it in a 20v turbo. Based on what read here, sounds like a remap is needed to be able to use e10 fuel when it is introduced. I've just been using premium 97/99 octane fuel in my coupe and will still use it for a while. Hope I've understood correctly.


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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Alan_K] #1651625
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I thought it was a waste of money to run any car on super unless you've had a remap to gain the benefits confused When I had my 20VT I only ran it on 95 based on that advice without any obvious issues.


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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1651633
24/06/2021 15:37
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Me too, I've only ever ran mine on 95.

Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1651640
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I notice a bit of improvement in how the engine ran when I started using super. It's just reassuring can still use 95 stuff in it and it'll be fine.


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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1651642
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Depends on the engine. From the factory, the 16 and 20 are both made to work on 95. If you have 98 in, the 20 can change the timing to take advantage of the higher octane; the 16 can't. 98 in either is not a problem, but not necessarily a benefit either.

If your car has been remapped to require 98, irrespective of type, you need to feed it 98.


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Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: G_Man] #1651650
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Originally Posted by G_Man
Just been on HMGs comparability website and the coupe's not mentioned - typical rolleyes


It does list the Marea 2 litre which is the same base as our 5 pot NA.

I'd hazard a guess the coupe isn't officially compatible

Re: New grade E10 fuel [Re: Rob40] #1651651
26/06/2021 11:20
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I wonder in how E10 fuel would work with Dell'orto carburettor in my Spider?


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