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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664235
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Right after some advice from Joe, Iíve give the compensator valve a few good touches with a hammer, and Iíve got fluid out of the nearside caliper, but canít get the drivers side to play

Iíve doused it in pb blaster and will tickle with a hammer again tomorrow night after work

Failing that Iíll buy a new one from Joe

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664236
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There's a hammer for every job wink

Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Countrycruising] #1664237
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Originally Posted by Countrycruising
There's a hammer for every job wink


True joe laugh


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664250
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Brake bias valve ordered from Joe

will try and fit it after work tomorrow night

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664266
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Maybe I'm late to the party but I've just seen this laugh

YouTube

I see you spotted it too Jamie!


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664267
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
Maybe I'm late to the party but I've just seen this laugh


The original thread was here :

https://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1647174/1

though there wasn't actually a link to the video itself.

Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664268
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
Maybe I'm late to the party but I've just seen this laugh

YouTube

I see you spotted it too Jamie!


Yep wink


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664279
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So just finished fitting the new compensator valve from Joe (thx joe wink )

They are a bit fiddly to rethread the brake nuts into the body of the valve, but itís done now

Quickly bled the calipers all round, interestingly I didnít jack the rear trailing arms and I got fluid straight to the rear calipers.

Maybe when the car is dangling the valve actually doesnít fully close the flow?

Tried the brake pedal, but feels a bit too much travel, but Iíve run out of fluid, so Iíll get another litre tomorrow and bleed the whole system again

So I will definitely have wheels on the ground for the weekend yipee

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664291
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Just finished rebleeding the brakes, pedal feels better

Got all 4 wheels on now

Just initially set the Osrav shocks as per some old commentary from Nigel

Tomorrow Iíll bolt the undertray on and do some last checks, and hopefully tootle around the block

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664313
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Great result to have her wheels going round again after all that effort thumb


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664315
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Cheers Simon wink


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664408
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Folks, what bolts do I need for the lower fixing to the rear anti roll bar?

They are a 15mm head and on checking for the clonking noise the head has snapped on one of them

Thanks Jamie


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664410
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I managed to get the stud out with little effort, so whilst itís annoying, the bolt must have been fatigued. Iíve found some donor bolts that I will change all of them as now I have a bit of paranoia and donít want a surprise of a bad kind

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664435
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Jobs still to doÖ


Get the wheel arches professionally painted after the clean up, now waiting for the quote....

Do the fuel pump wiring mod

Retreat remaining leather inside the car, as per the drivers seat

Cable for drivers seat recliner operation is bust, and lookís fiddly to fix. Anyone had experience of doing these???

Book the car for tracking alignment (booked for Wed 6th April) and a once over on my mates ramps, but need to free off the locking nuts first, as they are rusted up and mega tight, so the big boy tools are coming out for this job evil

I appear to have an oil leak grr I'm hoping its just the oil filter that's simply worked loose, as certainly having the car tickover on the driveway didn't show anything for several hours over the course of work I've been doing

Book a track session at Donington Park- planning for April 12th, so the pressure is on to fix a few points

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664437
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So I found the leak, it was the dipstick seal

What Iíve noticed is the flange on the dipstick tube doesnít get close to the mating face on the block

So Iíve cleaned it all up, reapplied rtv sealant, and drilled a hole above the original hole for where the securing bolt goes.

My theory is that is there was a gap it makes it easier for oil to push past this seal, so by sandwiching down the rubber seal/RTV sealant to the block face it should reduce the chance for any oil to seep out

Also managed to unseize the track rod end nuts, which were properly corroded, meaning I can can get the car tracked up on Wednesday

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664452
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Well another surprise breakdown tonight

Tonightís drive was short lived, so after buzzing around the country lanes near me, the car suddenly died, just as I was coming onto boost. It cut out quite abruptly, so my immediate thought was something electrical

As Iíd faffed around with fuses from earlier in the week, Iíd got a few spare ones with me, so I get out of the car , cocksure the fuse had gone and Iíd just pop another one in

Anyway it wasnít the fuse

I popped the bonnet and the negative connection on the battery felt a bit warm, so I thought some kind of short

Then I tried to start it, but it turned over without firing.

The injector light stayed on, so I knew it would not start

When I tried again the ignition just clicked, like when your battery is flat , and I could hear something crackling/buzzing in the drivers footwell, so I turned it off and got the car towed back home

Anyway got the car home, had a nosey around, with nothing obvious

After an hour the car had cooled down and would turn over but not fire

So the code and injector light comes on and goes off, so for me this is correct. I hear the fuel pump prime for a second or two, again Iím sure this is normal

But it wonít fire up

Iíve tried the inertia switch several times

Iím not sure about the 2 relays in the passenger footwell, and the fuel gauge is showing about a 3rd of a tank.

I will to be sure check thereís actually fuel in it tomorrow, and given I put about 50 quids worth of fuel and havenít done more than a 70 miles I hope itís not just fuel now for why it wonít start

However I still wonder what was going off with the electrics

Any pearls of wisdom that anyone can think of ?

Ps big thank you to joe for taking messages tonight


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664454
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You haven't blown a hose off as you gave it the beans?


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664455
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I've replied to your PM in more detail, but thinking maybe fuel pump as it's been replaced recently with an uprated one and the fuse blew a few days ago too? Maybe the electrical problems are coming from that, or a short or the pump has overloaded the old wiring?

Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664456
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Morning gents

Firstly thanks for the replies

Iím going to take the undertray off and check for any pipe related issues , albeit I donít think that explains the electrical weirdness that I saw


Then Iím going to clean up any of the main earth connections I can find, albeit I only know of 2 so if thereís more can someone enlighten me

Iím steering towards something to do with the new fuel pump/fuel pump wiring regarding the strange electrical issue I experienced.

So Iíll try and do the fuel pump wiring mod, just to eliminate this point

At times there appeared so little battery that when the hazard lights were on the dashboard lights were dimming in sequence with the hazard flash

Will report back on what I find, or not

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Jamiepm] #1664457
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so its not a boost pipe issue, everything is secure

I've cleaned the earths up, but they didn't look bad

so the code & injector light come on and go out as they should with a 1 or 2 second with the pump priming.

the car now turns over, but doesn't fire

so I'm going to take the pump assembly out and test the pump......

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664458
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Check you've got fuel coming through to the rail first....


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664459
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6 ground points in engine bay:

1. Front left, on chassis leg near alternator
2. Front right, on chassis leg in front of battery (opposite to #1)
3. Front right of gearbox (cable continues from #2)
4. Right side under coil pack cover
5. Back right of engine bay near strut top mount next to ABS diagnostic socket
6. Rear of engine near bottom of large triangular support bracket (note, bracket lower bolt must also be present for good earth connection)

Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664460
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thanks Graham/Simon

Fuel wasn't getting to the fuel rail......

so when I took the pump assembly out the flexipipe had come off the pump, so that explains why it wouldn't start, but now it starts. So I've used a beefier cable tie as I'm surprised it could come off, maybe I caught it when I faffed around with it earlier in the week??

But it doesn't explain the electrical weirdness I saw last night

So after chatting with Joe I'm going to borrow an infra camera from work to see if I can see any hot spots on cables in and around the footwell areas

Will keep you posted


Thanks again

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664462
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When you replaced the fuel filter was it definitely fitted the right way around? Just wondering if back pressure from there could have blown that hose off and caused the pump to draw too much current?

Or with that hose off maybe the pump spins freely and draws too much current? Definitely something strange with the pump fuse blowing the other day and that hose being off now. Which hose was it, one inside the pump/tank?

Also, is battery voltage OK? If there was a short from the pump that blew the fuse maybe it damage a cell or 2 in the battery and so it's now not outputting full power.

Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664463
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Hi Graham,
I fitted it as per the arrow of direction, that matched the filter you had fitted, so I'm sure its correct

My thoughts regarding the pipe is 2 things

1 is the tie wrap that was supplied was tiny and not man enough for its purpose

2 is when you put the pump assembly back in the tank, you can catch this pipe ( when manoeuvring it into place, this is what I think happened coupled with a crappy tie wrap

You could be right that the pump continually running due to no back pressure might be the reason for the current draw, I don't have any other ideas at present so sounds plausible

The voltmeter in the car is indicating 14 volts, so ordinarily you'd say that was ok

so for now I'm planning to drive it to my mates garage (25 miles away) this afternoon for the tracking set up (road & track set up), so let's see....

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664469
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So.. . .

Car is behaving perfectly, no electrical weirdness

Just had the tracking done, and it's now ready for a trackday

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664474
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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Countrycruising] #1664483
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Thanks again Joe for your help, much appreciated wink


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Jamiepm] #1664492
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Check all the air inlet hoses, sounds like one of them has popped off


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664506
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Trackday booked, roll on Wednesday biglaugh

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