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Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 18:49
26/01/2010 18:49
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patch234
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Wadda you reckon? Just didn't like the Plus alloys - They're on the Steely now and the transplant car - my other one  FOR SALE by-the-way
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 18:52
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Insy
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Urm. Not sure. For some reason I prefer silver wheels with the ink/black colours.
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: stan]
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26/01/2010 18:53
26/01/2010 18:53
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 18:56
26/01/2010 18:56
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samsite999
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put them back Phil!  (the 20vt looks better with the plus wheels but your plus suffers for it i'm afraid)
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 19:06
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patch234
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Oh no it doesn't  Thanks anyway Sam 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 19:12
26/01/2010 19:12
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bridges
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patch, I have done exactly the same. My silver 20vt wheels in my sig were on the limit tyre wise so I have temporarily fitted the graphite ones off my silver 20vt which are the same colour as yours.
looks really mean and much much better in real life. Although am still undecided as I do think the silver wheels contrast the dark blue and look good with the fuel cap. Must admit i'm soon to be putting on some 17's in silver. This is the look im going for, but do also think that the wheels in graphite grey suit.
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: stan]
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26/01/2010 19:15
26/01/2010 19:15
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samsite999
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Indeed, there like hens teeth hidden in a haystack second hand I would be asking £400+ for a set, probably much more Oh, and there was only one real stealth coupe on here I miss you "dark destroyer"
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 19:19
26/01/2010 19:19
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must admit, I prefer the stock alloys to the Plus ones  However think that you should keep them safe to one side as you will probably regret getting rid.
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 19:19
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I have to agree with Sam. While the LE alloys look ok on the Inky,I think the silver Plus alloys were a better match for the darker colour IMHO. But as they say,it your car at the end of the day  . Baz 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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#973525
26/01/2010 19:21
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Indeed, there like hens teeth hidden in a haystack second hand I would be asking £400+ for a set, probably much more Oh, and there was only one real stealth coupe on here I miss you "dark destroyer" When it wasn't on fire 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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#973527
26/01/2010 19:27
26/01/2010 19:27
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Roadking
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put them back Phil!  (the 20vt looks better with the plus wheels but your plus suffers for it i'm afraid) Another vote Sam's right. 100%, without doubt or discussion, right!
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: Countrycruising]
#973529
26/01/2010 19:31
26/01/2010 19:31
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Think I'm going to be nailed to the wall by my testicles for saying this but I actually prefer your silver coop to the plus Patch!
The plus wheels seem to work better on the plus and the darker 20VT wheels on the silver one is spot on.
Thats the thing I guess with tweaking/modifying... each to their own.
I share Joe's sentiment that you might want to hang onto the Plus wheels. They don't come cheap.
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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#973530
26/01/2010 19:36
26/01/2010 19:36
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samsite999
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*gets the hammer and nails ready*
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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#973536
26/01/2010 19:48
26/01/2010 19:48
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IMHO that kind of destroys the plus model.
now it just looks like a 20vt with some side skirts added. Why pay the extra to get a plus model to change it???
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: Ed]
#973542
26/01/2010 20:15
26/01/2010 20:15
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Plus alloys look much better than LE alloys.
Get the plus alloys colour coded anthracite. Have a look at pics of roly's (ex) plus. They look good on a dark car.
Also plus tyres should be 225/45/16 not 205/50/16 !
Last edited by sugerbear; 26/01/2010 20:17.
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: Ed]
#973543
26/01/2010 20:18
26/01/2010 20:18
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patch234
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Okay, okay, okay, I'll keep the graphite alloys on the plus and the plus alloys on the 20VT.  No, only joking. The Plus stay's stealth .... it looks really, really good, and it wouldn't be a patch car if it looked as they 'should' do.... You know half the world is going hybrid anyway  I'll go with Joe, store the Plus rims and source a set of 20VT rims for the steely. Unless someone wants to pay me £500.00 to take them off my hands  As new tyres on them too  Stealth is the way ahead for style in 2010 - and I'm in the driving seat 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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#973544
26/01/2010 20:19
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IMHO that kind of destroys the plus model.
now it just looks like a 20vt with some side skirts added. Why pay the extra to get a plus model to change it??? * 2.....
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: Ed]
#973548
26/01/2010 20:22
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I think that...
On the Inky, the lines of the LE skirts and lips are sharp and because of this they go better with the sharp jagged design of the Plus alloys.
On the Steely, the PIU bumper and Zender skirts are more rounded and smooth - because of this they suit the smooth dark alloys.
I think if you darkened the Plus alloys then you would achieve the overall Batman look on the Inky, while still showing that its a Plus model - but thats if you're not bothered about keeping the Plus wheels standard. Are you?
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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#973549
26/01/2010 20:25
26/01/2010 20:25
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Its your car Phil and I have the up most respect for your sense of style, well and you. But.....You aspired for a plus because of its status, seats and wheels, and well the 6 speed box. Taking something off it makes it some what less of a car, and not a plus any more
its just looks like a ink black 20vt, thats got dark wheels on, this post was always going to get a lot of attention, and rightly so but its your car and im the last one who should be calling sacrilege with my noddy car.
Do what ever you think is right....but dont ask me to give an opinion
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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#973551
26/01/2010 20:25
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Okay, okay, okay, I'll keep the graphite alloys on the plus and the plus alloys on the 20VT.  No, only joking. The Plus stay's stealth .... it looks really, really good, and it wouldn't be a patch car if it looked as they 'should' do.... You know half the world is going hybrid anyway  I'll go with Joe, store the Plus rims and source a set of 20VT rims for the steely. Unless someone wants to pay me £500.00 to take them off my hands  As new tyres on them too  Stealth is the way ahead for style in 2010 - and I'm in the driving seat Good for you. Its your car. Definately a good idea to keep the rims safe though, incase you sell or change your mind.
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 20:26
26/01/2010 20:26
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patch234
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IMHO that kind of destroys the plus model.
now it just looks like a 20vt with some side skirts added. Why pay the extra to get a plus model to change it??? Ah! But this one has just become the 'Plus Stealth' model ... 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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#973553
26/01/2010 20:27
26/01/2010 20:27
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patch234
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+3
Its your car Phil and I have the up most respect for your sense of style, well and you. But.....You aspired for a plus because of its status, seats and wheels, and well the 6 speed box. Taking something off it makes it some what less of a car, and not a plus any more
its just looks like a ink black 20vt, thats got dark wheels on, this post was always going to get a lot of attention, and rightly so but its your car and im the last one who should be calling sacrilege with my noddy car.
Do what ever you think is right....but dont ask me to give an opinion Sam, your opinion always matters to me mate  But, I never mentioned that I wanted a Plus for the wheels though;)
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 20:28
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Do what ever you think is right....but dont ask me to give an opinion But what if the right thing is to ask you for an opinion? 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 22:05
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I would take the side skirts and front lips of as well for the ultimate stealth plus!! Ok maybe not. Keep the plus wheels for shows/selling to keep people happy.
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 22:13
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patch234
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patch234
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I would take the side skirts and front lips of as well for the ultimate stealth plus!! Ok maybe not. Keep the plus wheels and do whatever makes you happy. I fixed that for ya Stevo  Now, a Plus with PIU/zends ..... mmm, I'm seeing Joe on Saturday too
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: coupedummy]
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26/01/2010 22:22
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patch234
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Well I'll see you there then  Yes, in the Plus
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 22:27
26/01/2010 22:27
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Phil, I'll take the Plus wheels off your hands for a couple of quid if you really don't want them... 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 22:28
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patch234
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Make that a couple (or Five exactly) hundred quid and they're yours 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 22:59
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: coupedummy]
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26/01/2010 23:56
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patch234
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OK, bring one along if you can....
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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26/01/2010 23:58
26/01/2010 23:58
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Why not spray the plus wheels a darker colour Phil?
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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27/01/2010 00:04
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patch234
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Paul, I just don't like the look of them, I have thought about this and checked out Roly's pictures as suggested above though ... I'll need to ponder some more.
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: sugerbear]
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27/01/2010 00:57
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And that's definitely the case here.
Ex Grigio Moon 20VT Plus Ex 350Z Now Aston Martin Vantage
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: MrCooper]
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27/01/2010 01:21
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Ok will bring one along sat
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: coupedummy]
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27/01/2010 09:44
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patch234
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Ok will bring one along sat Great, look forward to that. I am now thinking about putting on an old set of 15" Fiat Multipla wheels on the Plus, I think they'll look fab .... what do you guy's think about this??
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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#973785
27/01/2010 10:01
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this entire thread is a chain pull, surely? a guy capable of running a business at md level must have more sense, and sensibilities, than this.... 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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27/01/2010 10:07
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patch234
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this entire thread is a chain pull, surely? a guy capable of running a business at md level must have more sense, and sensibilities, than this....  I'm deadly serious Proccy  There is an element of chain pulling, for sure. But I tell you what. They are only a set of wheels. The 20VT wheels will stay on, wait till you see them at the next meet, if you think they look shit (must be an honest opinion though) I'll *think* about spraying up the Plus alloys in Graphite. Tell you what though, you should come and work here! It's a mad house, especially with me at the helm! Saying that, my staff stay and enjoy their time at work .... having fun, gets results  Though, don't get me wrong, step out of line - and you'll be history 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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#973790
27/01/2010 10:11
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The coupe is one car that definately does not benefit from the 'stealth' look in any shape or form. It simply doesn't have the menacing looks required to carry it off.
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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27/01/2010 10:12
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The coupe is one car that definately does not benefit from the 'stealth' look in any shape or form. It simply doesn't have the menacing looks required to carry it off.
disagree bfj - imo there's a couple of very menacing looking coupe's, sams was one
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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27/01/2010 10:21
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The coupe is one car that definately does not benefit from the 'stealth' look in any shape or form. It simply doesn't have the menacing looks required to carry it off.
It will do when I get it re-sprayed in red and black stripes - going across the car of course
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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27/01/2010 10:23
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The coupe is one car that definately does not benefit from the 'stealth' look in any shape or form. It simply doesn't have the menacing looks required to carry it off.
disagree bfj - imo there's a couple of very menacing looking coupe's, sams was one Especially when it's on fire.....!
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: stan]
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27/01/2010 21:52
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Hmmm, this has made me wonder what my Plus will look like with the LE wheels I'm refurbing at the moment...even if only for a month or two while the original Plus wheels are being refurbed (in silver)
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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27/01/2010 22:50
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patch234
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Go for it  post pics too 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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27/01/2010 22:55
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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27/01/2010 22:57
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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27/01/2010 23:26
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Well done with the sale patch.Presume the wheels have gone now? Silver one looked better with the plus wheels than inky i think.
Jas_wheels are coming on nicely
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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27/01/2010 23:34
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Wheels are still with me  I am considering what to do with them 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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27/01/2010 23:35
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Jas, you do them yourself then?? If so how the hell did you do such a cracking job?
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: coupedummy]
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28/01/2010 00:08
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The sole reason Phil.. that I bought an LE and not a plus .. was the alloys I'd rather have crazy red pimp seats and LE alloys, than black variants of the recaro's and the odd looking plus alloys  Oh .. and no red plus's officially built ?
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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28/01/2010 00:10
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You, me and jas, are standard alloy brothers fellie  EDIT - Umm, all be it graphite standard alloys with LE centre caps, standard alloy brothers ... gets a bit of a mouthful that
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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28/01/2010 20:34
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It would appear so Phil aye  I ned to get a new pic for my sig now, as the alloys are no longer ' almost black' 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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28/01/2010 20:52
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Jas, you do them yourself then?? If so how the hell did you do such a cracking job? Yep, all my own work - only takes hours & hours & hours of work with the finest materials and bingo - one set of mint LE wheels! (I've bought new centre caps too). I prefer the style of the standard 20VT wheel, but felt that if I was putting another set of wheels on my Plus while the original wheels were being refurbed they should be in some way a little bit 'special', so LE wheels it was. Plus wheels will go back on as soon as they're done though (in silver) 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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28/01/2010 21:22
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Jas, you do them yourself then?? If so how the hell did you do such a cracking job? Yep, all my own work - only takes hours & hours & hours of work with the finest materials and bingo - one set of mint LE wheels! (I've bought new centre caps too). I prefer the style of the standard 20VT wheel, but felt that if I was putting another set of wheels on my Plus while the original wheels were being refurbed they should be in some way a little bit 'special', so LE wheels it was. Plus wheels will go back on as soon as they're done though (in silver)  Jas that finish is superb  - have you posted a link on the 'How to' section or are you going to ?
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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#974897
28/01/2010 21:42
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I bet you a fiver those Plus wheels are never fitted back on 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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28/01/2010 21:44
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Jas that finish is superb  - have you posted a link on the 'How to' section or are you going to ? Thanks! Yes, have took a million photo's and will be writing a 'How To'  Just put a coat of base on the 3rd wheel out of the set and the darn stuff is reacting 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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28/01/2010 21:47
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I bet you a fiver those Plus wheels are never fitted back on Oooh, it just got interesting...
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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#974920
28/01/2010 22:03
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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28/01/2010 22:05
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Insy
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Insy
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Brilliant finish on those wheels Jas 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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28/01/2010 22:22
28/01/2010 22:22
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spookone
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spookone
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Agree with you changing the wheels over - the Plus wheels just are not very pleasing to the eye - in fact they are a little ugly (in my humble opinion).
Last edited by spookone; 28/01/2010 22:22.
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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28/01/2010 22:59
28/01/2010 22:59
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proccy
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proccy
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Agree with you changing the wheels over - the Plus wheels just are not very pleasing to the eye - in fact they are a little ugly (in my humble opinion). and humble it is too
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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29/01/2010 17:58
29/01/2010 17:58
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eldinho
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eldinho
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I'm not a fan of plus wheels.
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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05/02/2010 23:25
05/02/2010 23:25
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patch234
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patch234
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Well, my car now looks how I want it to .... wheel-wise Before After
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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06/02/2010 00:50
06/02/2010 00:50
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JKD
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JKD
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looks nice patch.  now get a cada bumper on it. go on, you know you want to! 
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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06/02/2010 21:16
06/02/2010 21:16
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proccy
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proccy
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it does look nice, so well dont patch - but it doesn't look like a plus now....
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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06/02/2010 21:20
06/02/2010 21:20
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patch234
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patch234
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That's because its a PatchPlus proccy  - Are you bringing a petrol cap tomorrow??
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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06/02/2010 21:24
06/02/2010 21:24
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Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,678 Warwickshire
gj88
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My life on the forum
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In my honest opinion... I liked it more with the standard wheels and grill If you like it thats all that matters.
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
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06/02/2010 21:26
06/02/2010 21:26
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proccy
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proccy
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no mate, it was stuck on his ramp all day and i forgot to ask in my panic!!!
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Re: Stealth 20VT 'Plus'
[Re: Tommy_Coop23]
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09/02/2010 20:49
09/02/2010 20:49
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patch234
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patch234
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too fussy in the detailing but each to their own  'The cars nothing compared to the shine on my shoes.' I'm spraying the grill black this evening, after discussion with fellow fc'ers, I think it may well make it even more stealthy, so, I'll' give it a go and see how she looks
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