w215 lbb

anybody know anything about this one on gumtree. looks just the one for me

Got a link to it ?

Think this is the one-

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/fiat-coupe-20v-turbo-limited-edition/1009651872

Does look nice that

Very nice.

In deed

Looks mint

Plus isn't it?Not LE....
Anywho it looks great.Wish I had the money to find one like that...

Yum yum

Does look nice, but no mention of MOTs, service history or belts.

Very nice.

It's not sold yet, but they took a deposit on it within 10 mins of listing it on Gumtree.

It's HPI clear btw (just 2 number plate changes), I checked it yesterday afternoon and was considering going to view it myself.

might have gone myself but it's 4.5 hours from me. they're now saying price is estimate and its tbc on their website. buyer might have to fork out a bit more :-)

In other words, they got more interest than they expected and the price is going up.

And now it's gone from Gumtree.

Got this one after a lot of looking.
Some lovely coupes for sale but this is the colour and spec I was looking for so sorry to all the people I contacted and hopefully not waste to much of there time.
Car is totally genuine and standard , really nice!
Replaced discs and pads and exhaust manifold last week ,thermostat and slave cylinder to do and then belts and she will be good.

Thanks to the club for all the help and info
I'll post some pics soon

I apologise for putting a damper on this post but I was actually the lady who put the deposit down on this coupe when it had just been advertised on Gumtree. I had been searching for my very first coupe for some time when this came up for sale. It ticked all the boxes for me and after thorough discussions with Ian and Harry, the sales representatives from Lyles of Newcastle, we agreed a price and I paid a deposit on the car. As I understand it, a deposit forms a contractual agreement however the next day I received a call to say that the car was being withdrawn from sale. I was told by Lyles that the car belonged to John Macdonald of Macdonald Racing and even though he had also been involved in the discussions and had agreed to sell the car to me I was no longer able to buy it. Whatever happened within the 24 hours after I paid my deposit I have no idea but the whole thing and the way they went about it was very underhand.
I really wasn't expecting that this would be my first post on the forum as I was planning to sign up as a member and introduce myself once I had bought my first coupe. I hope that will happen sometime in the near future.

Oh dear. That sounds very unprofessional and you must be totally fed up!

Keep the faith, and unlike U2 you will soon find what you are looking for . Good luck!

That is disappointing to say the least and you would be forgiven for suspecting shady dealing. Although you haven't stated as such I'm assuming you got your deposit back. It would be interesting to hear what Emjay has to say on the subject.

Meanwhile in spite of the circumstances congratulations on your first post and welcome to the forum where I hope you'll find a degree of transparency and technical expertise, not to mention some -ness, which is to your satisfaction

Does seem a bit off, what they actually said to me in email was:

"Within 10 minutes of listing the car I received a call and we have taken a holding deposit, which I might add is subject to viewing as the lady is in Cheshire and will not be able to view until next week once any preparation work is completed."

Yes, welcome, and good luck searching for your first Coupe.

But I don't understand Ed's last sentence "not to mention some -ness", seems he forgot to mention it

Westie1,

Welcome to the forum. Sorry to hear of your experience.

You must get your deposit back and you are entitled to any costs flowing from their breach. So if you make a second wasted trip up there, you can claim the cost of that.

In theory there is the chance to argue they should "perfect" the contract, ie. carry it through - but as the car has been sold on no court is going to do that. If you can find an equivalent car and buy it, you can also claim for the difference in cost. Finding an equivalent car is not easy though - there will always be argument as mileage, condition etc will differ.

Very poor show by the sellers. Personally I would just put this down to one of those bad experiences that happen rather than argue about few quid beyond the deposit.

Hope you find an even better example soon

Thanks very much for all the replies and the warm welcome. It is one of those experiences that leaves a very bad taste in your mouth and I was bitterly disappointed. A price was agreed at the time the deposit was taken, by all parties, to include work that was going to be carried out on the car. I did think of taking it further Emjay, but going down the court route for something I feel should be a very pleasurable experience would have just ruined it for me. The deposit was returned to me once I had to accept the explanation that the car was withdrawn from sale. Onwards and upwards as they say though and I do hope I will be posting some pictures on here of my first coupe sometime soon.

Sorry about this as it is a bad start for me also as i am new to the fourm also but certainly no shady dealings on my side.
I saw the car on gumtree and spoke to lyles
I bought the car on the phone payed and collected the next day.Seemed to be straightforward to me. I did not realise I had upset someone else with this purchase. This reflects very badly on me now and apologise to
Westie 1

There's a smiley inserted before it

I think all fair minded people will realise that the shadyness involved in this case is wholly on the part of the Dealer , and can only assume they recieved a better offer after they accepted your deposit Westie1!
Im sure you will get over the bad taste left by this and get yourself a nice coupe,to make up for it. Tobster good luck with the car ,a warm welcome to you both.

Thanks to everyone for the nice replies and warm welcome. It is one of those situations unfortunately that leaves you with a very bad taste in your mouth and I was bitterly disappointed. A price had been agreed, by all parties, when I left my deposit which was to include some work that was required on the car. I did think of taking it further Emjay but the thought of going down the court route for something which is supposed to be a very pleasurable experience would have just ruined it for me. I did receive my deposit back once I had to accept the explanation that the car had been withdrawn from sale. Anyway, onwards and upwards as they say and I hope to join you again once I've found myself another nice coupe that's right for me.

Hi tobster and welcome to FCCUK. Let's assume that as you say, you are completely innocent in this matter. If so, the dealer is wholly to blame for their alleged breach of contract with Westie 1.

The best way that you can help now, is to be upfront about when you contacted the dealer, (time and date) and the final price that you agreed with them.

By checking Westie 1's offer price, together with date and time that deposit was paid, it should be possible to show that the dealer accepted her offer, thus forming a binding contract, then had a better offer from you and backed out of their initial contract, so as to get a better deal, allegedly.

This will not affect you, as you have paid for the car and now own it, but it may help Westie 1 to get proper recompense, possibly via the courts, from the dealer, if found guilty. In addition, it will out the dealer concerned for the scumbags that they appear to be.

Hope you can do this, not only for Westie 1, but for all to see what has happened.

Sorry that you've walked into a storm and hope you enjoy your Coupe.

Jen keep the faith, the right one is out there



Welcome to the forum and Coupe ownership tobster

I'm gutted about the way this was dealt with, the dealer lied, simple.

"we" don't need to see anything. We've heard about some suspect dealings. If the parties want to discuss via pm I'm sure they will. IMO that sort of discussion in an open forum is bad form at best.

Tobster, westie, welcome to both of you. I'm sure you'll find the forum a really useful place.

Welcome Tobster and Westie. It is a very bad situation. I agree with Szkom, it's no one else's business but yours.

[quote=szkom]"we" don't need to see anything. We've heard about some suspect dealings. If the parties want to discuss via pm I'm sure they will. IMO that sort of discussion in an open forum is bad form at best."

Also as Mrs. Bercow recently discovered we should all be aware of the possible legal implications of posts/comments in a public forum.

Sorry szkom, porkypaul and lost55, but whilst we should all be aware of legal implications, if it's an open and shut case that Lyles breached their original contract, why shouldn't we all be warned and aware of such an allegedly dodgy dealer?

Especially when they are italian car specialists and are likely to be selling Coupes again. I wouldn't for a moment suggest that people post things that cannot be proven, but I really hate such alleged dodgy dealings.

Can you imagine what it's like to buy a car in such lovely looking condition for such a good price and then to be gazumped.

Plenty of times in the past on these forums we have been warned publicly about suspect dealings. What's different now?

BTW, I don't agree that suspect is sufficient. At the moment, all I've suggested is that tobster helps Westie 1 to establish the facts beyond doubt. If that can be done, why not make it public?

Well, scrub all of the above. Just seen Westie1's post saying that she got her deposit back and won't be taking it further.

Hope you find the car you want and hope tobster enjoys the car that slipped through your hands.

I guess that as long as Westie1 finds a nice Coupe, everyone's a winner, but I know that there's one dealer in Newcastle that I'd never visit, allegedly.

Thank you Pigman for your support of my post. I do think it's important to make people of aware of these things. My deposit on the car was actually made on 14th February and on 15th February the car was allegedly withdrawn from sale (but obviously not), and the advert removed from Gumtree and the car was marked as withdrawn on their website.
When you made that comment about "imagine buying a car in such lovely looking condition for such a good price and then to be guzumped" you hit the nail on the head because I felt absolutely sick about it. I am sure I will find another nice coupe and have had some great support from members here too who are helping me with my search.

Pigman, you misunderstand my post. Letting people know about a bad experience is a good thing. What I don't agree with is going into the fine detail over who offered what, and when on a public forum. Which is what you were suggesting. That's none of our business.

Westie, I couldn't agree more. This forum is going to be a very good place to find a well looked after example of a coupé. I hope your search is quick and simple.

Trouble is, if you let people know that you've had a bad experience and from where, or if where can be easily deduced, as is the case here; without providing some incontrovertable detail, i.e. facts about the experience, you could lay yourself open to some kind of legal action from the alleged perpetrator.

I don't see why we shouldn't all know if attempted buyer 'A' places a deposit to secure an item at a specific time and then the seller accepts a better offer from 'B' and decides to not honour their original contract with 'A'.

This sort of dishonourable and dishonest business behaviour, if it can be proven beyond any doubt, should be put up on as many forums around the world as possible, so as to warn other unsuspecting buyers. Let's not protect suppliers who do this sort of thing. Again, I'm not accusing a specific seller, but Westie1 has just put up some of the appropriate evidence.

I can't see why it would be a problem if tobster were willing to do the same. Of course, he shouldn't be obliged to do so.

By the way. I think you will believe it to be your business if you get burnt in the same way sometime in the future and you may wish that the supplier's conduct had been identified, so as to forewarn you.

My last post on this as I think we'll differ on this all day given the chance

The problem with what you suggest is that it is not fact that will get posted (that's not to say it's not truthful), it is opinion, speculation, etc. To make it fact you need to present evidence, copies of email for example. And that raises the question of why? It's enough for us to know that something happened. Why do we need the detail, and who are we to decide if a seller is reputable or not? (other than in our own mind)

IMO it's good to have some feedback about a seller, but no more than that.

Westie, good luck with the hunt!

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Probably.



I think that what Westie1 last posted counts as evidence, not opinion. At worst it's uncorroberated fact.



And this would easily be corroberated by itemised phone bill and or debit or credit card statement. Also, the time that the ad was pulled/modified is a matter of record, i.e. a fact, not an opinion.



If it's based on opinion, then we don't know something happened. We only know if we have facts. If tobster was to confirm the time he contacted the supplier and provide evidence of when he paid, we would then have all the facts that we need, so as to know for sure and not just have an opinion.



Well, we are probably all at the buyer beware stage, but why should any supplier get away with dishonourable and dishonest business practices, without being exposed to the wider public, specifically in the case of FCCUK members and visitors being the most likely to buy cars that this particular supplier may have to offer.



On this last point we are in complete agreement.

And evidence I do have..my credit card statement when the deposit was taken, phone bill itemising when I called along with an email from Harry Slater at Lyles sent on 14th February saying how pleased he was that I had decided to leave a deposit on the car as it would be a shame for me to miss out and asking for my full details. I really wish now that I had come onto the forum for some advice about the situation when it happened as I may not have been so hasty in accepting what they told me. It really is disgraceful.

Quote Pigman {Well, we are probably all at the buyer beware stage, but why should any supplier get away with dishonourable and dishonest business practices, without being exposed to the wider public, specifically in the case of FCCUK members and visitors being the most likely to buy cars that this particular supplier may have to offer.}

Small point but you seem to assume that the supplier is the dealer who was the legal owner of the car.

Seems to me the dealer was selling the car on behalf of someone else, either on a commission or fixed price basis.

If the dealer accepts a deposit in good faith and the owner then realised the car was under priced and withdraws the car from that sale,whats the dealer to do? They can't complete a sale on a car that they don't own.

Westie sorry you've had a bad start to coupe ownership, but you will find the right car and you can spend as much time as the rest of us .......checking the oil, etc

Unless you have some facts to support your comments, then you are just speculating. However, I agree that all parties in such a scenario have the right to put forward their side of the story.

Do you know for certain that the supplier was selling on a commission basis, or are you simply offering a hypothetical reason for the supplier to be innocent?

Err.....you could try reading Westie's post

Part quote from yesterday [ I was told by Lyles that the car belonged to John Macdonald of Macdonald Racing and even though he had also been involved in the discussions and had agreed to sell the car to me I was no longer able to buy it.]

So its doesn't seem clear to me who was really responsible for withdrawing the sale. It could have been the dealer, the owner or both of them. So to post comments about dodgy dealing, etc seems a bit risky to me.

Anyway got to go and check my oil level now

Yes lost55, my apologies. I either forgot reading that part of Westie1's post as quoted below or skipped over it. This doesn't put Lyles in the clear, but perhaps will teach them some kind of lesson when selling a customer's vehicle on comission.



So we are left to decide whether it was the car's owner, John Macdonald, or the dealer Lyles, or whether they were in cahoots together after realising that they could get a better price. I still feel that the dealer has responsibility, however, as they enter into a contract to sell on behalf. Either way, their conduct looks very dodgy.

This is a matter between those parties directly involved.

This forum is neither judge nor jury.

We have a system of law to deal with such disputes.