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Rarest 20VT in the world?

Posted By: ryvinson

Rarest 20VT in the world? - 28/02/2019 10:59

Hello all, introducing my 2001 20VT. I like to think it's quite unique. I’m the first and only owner with 6,030 miles on the speedo. All original, no mods. Cheers.

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 28/02/2019 11:06

More pics.

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Posted By: DaveG

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 28/02/2019 11:08

Very nice, Malaysia right? And no mods, apart from the badges on the rear (not to my taste however)
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 28/02/2019 11:12

And one more

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 28/02/2019 11:14

Originally Posted by DaveG
Very nice, Malaysia right? And no mods, apart from the badges on the rear (not to my taste however)


Yes, removable badges, nothing screwed in.
Posted By: Master_Mariner

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 28/02/2019 12:14

In the best colour too! :-)

Hardly run in at that mileage. And I know that to keep micro miles on a car is difficult, and expensive in making sure maintenance isn't skipped.

A real tribute to the Coup-I imagine there can be few in the world with as low mileage.

MM
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 28/02/2019 13:28

Thanks. Car’s garaged, serviced and maintained in Kuala Lumpur while I live in in Melbourne mostly. Hence, the low mileage. Have a very good mechanic in KL, specializing in Coupes and Alfas, who keeps the car humming.
Posted By: Gunzi

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 28/02/2019 15:21

Fantastic, great to see a museum model!
Posted By: Kelv27

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 01/03/2019 04:31

Welcome ryvinson. Your car advert has been a real talk of the town around here in KL!
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 01/03/2019 04:37

Originally Posted by Gunzi
Fantastic, great to see a museum model!



Thank you.
Interestingly, I just read a post on a 20VT imported from Japan with 8,298 miles on the clock, asking for £19,940 in Autotrader.
I guess I have bought and sold enough assets to not scoff at any asking price, as there’s always a taker(s) out there for any asset at any price. Always. It all boils down to luck and/or timing.
One of the car pics in Autotrader did strike me as odd though - that one giveaway pic is not consistent with the low mileage or age of the Japanese 20VT. I’d know as my car’s just 2,268 miles short and 2001 manufactured as well. I’m sure there’s a good reason(s) for that glaring inconsistency.
Cheers.
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 01/03/2019 05:11

Originally Posted by Kelv27
Welcome ryvinson. Your car advert has been a real talk of the town around here in KL!


Good to know, thanks.
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 01/03/2019 05:12

Read another post on a Coupe red key and service booklet going for £500 on Gumtree. Believe it or not, someone, who’s a sucker for completeness like yours truly, will surely buy them!

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Posted By: chipped

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 01/03/2019 07:58

Originally Posted by ryvinson
Originally Posted by Gunzi
Fantastic, great to see a museum model!



Thank you.
Interestingly, I just read a post on a 20VT imported from Japan with 8,298 miles on the clock, asking for £19,940 in Autotrader.
I guess I have bought and sold enough assets to not scoff at any asking price, as there’s always a taker(s) out there for any asset at any price. Always. It all boils down to luck and/or timing.
One of the car pics in Autotrader did strike me as odd though - that one giveaway pic is not consistent with the low mileage or age of the Japanese 20VT. I’d know as my car’s just 2,268 miles short and 2001 manufactured as well. I’m sure there’s a good reason(s) for that glaring inconsistency.
Cheers.


What inconsistency is that? Or am I being thick?
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 01/03/2019 14:32

As the car’s on sale, it would be bad form to identify the ”inconsistency”, which I could be wrong as the observation was based on a pic.
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 01/03/2019 14:49

Originally Posted by ryvinson
As the car’s on sale, it would be bad form to identify the ”inconsistency”, which I could be wrong as the observation was based on a pic.



In that case your caveat might be "in your opinion" perhaps?

Lovely coupe you have btw cool
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 02/03/2019 06:34

Most certainly my opinion. Thanks.
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 02/03/2019 06:38

The customised set of 17-inch alloys for the 20VT, an initiative by the local Coupe club then, was the best buy for the car. Inexpensive, they’re visually stunning on the car and fit like a glove. More importantly, they’re sparing the original alloys from wear and tear and damage by potholes aplenty in KL. Yes, a labour of love in keeping the car mint and original lol.

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Posted By: JKD

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 02/03/2019 09:05

Very nice Coupe ryvinson! Those alloys look great on the car and do indeed serve a practical purpose too!

What kind of cars do you usually have on the roads in Malaysia/KL?

Is it mainly boring ones or are there quite a few exotic models? How does the Coupe compare in terms of standing out?

Oh and whatever happened to this Malaysian Coupe?

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 04/03/2019 05:16

Thanks.

Type of cars here? You name them, KL has them all, from a poor bloke’s old banger to a tycoon’s latest supercars.

Coupe’s standing? Very niche with a small group of hardcore enthusiasts.

The bluey Coupe pictured? First time seeing that and clueless as to its whereabouts.

Cheers.
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 04/03/2019 05:36

Plenty of elbow grease - the weekly wash and vacuum, even though it’s garaged and infrequently driven. The paintwork is as it was on the day I drove the car out of the showroom. It has never been resprayed.

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Posted By: Scuderia

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 04/03/2019 09:42

Very nice, are the wheels still available?
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 04/03/2019 10:20

Thanks.

No, I don't believe they (the 17-inch) are available now, even as used, as they were a one-off production run 10 years ago. I stand corrected on the cost of about £270 then for a set of 4 rims of export quality. If I recall correctly, no more than 20 sets were produced.

Cheers.
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 06/03/2019 07:56

A brilliant day!

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 08/03/2019 02:05

Fiat surely didn't apply shoddy workmanship to the interior, still looking good after 18 years although not Connolly leather lol.

Sabelts to lend a touch of colour.

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 09/03/2019 07:50

When a German meets an Italian, it can only be a good thing.

My well loved 6-year old bro from Munich.

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Posted By: Submariner

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 09/03/2019 08:01

Looks like the car is in beautiful condition, the badges however are truly awful and spoil the aesthetics/lines hurl
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 09/03/2019 08:32

Lol. A matter of personal taste. All badges stuck on to keep car stock. Am stocked up on ”ricambi originali” badges, which are easily loosened, stolen or damaged given conditions here. The badges should be as rare as hens’ teeth to buy new today.

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 12/03/2019 09:23

Understandably, being fast even by today’s standards, 20VTs will be driven hard by most owners. What is hard to understand is why many 20VTs are not as well maintained, with second-hand values falling through the floor.

The conditions of many pre-owned 20VTs on sale here are simply shocking, earning the 20VT an undeserving bad rap. They’re not even worth the dirt-cheap asking prices.

The fast speed of 20VTs has been its curse, with many already souped-up, and beaten up on tracks and country roads on a budget. The requisite periodic and specialist maintenance just do not correspond to their hard usage. Sad.

Oops. My bad-day-in-the-office rant. Lol.

The epic Sunday wash below.

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Posted By: PeteP

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 12/03/2019 11:57

They went through that stage about 5 or 6 years ago in the UK.

It got rid of a lot of dogs with boy racers ragging them to death as they were a cheap way of buying high speed.
Posted By: Submariner

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 12/03/2019 12:36

Ownership is a labour of love, it is an enthusiasts car for sure, which if driven and used as was intended demands what some perceive as higher maintenance costs...given the low outlay for the car some in the era Pete mentions failed to maintain the cars as required...for me the biggest outlay has been bodywork and the treatment and prevention of the 'hidden' rust traps the car has due to the environmental conditions in the UK. The mechanics of the car in standard form (well a Gtec) have been bombproof for me save for the expected maintenance of belts, clutch and suspension arms, droplinks etc.

The 'developing world' conditions of many of the roads in the UK now and the use of salt in Winter has proven to have taken its toll on the Coupe many of which are/were used as every day drivers.

Your style of ownership (hardly ever driven) is now more the norm with many of the remaining vehicle's being driven minimally in the Summer months, pampered etc as a second or third etc car,
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 14/03/2019 04:54

Yes, the 20VT’s an ideal lifestyle car for the frivolous weekend getaways and the lazy drives to pubs, restaurants, theatres and the golf club. While the other cars are auto variants, a 6-speed stick’s indeed a very nice change. Rarely feel the need to floor the accelerator, being largely satisfied with the 20VT as a docile beast of leisure.

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 15/03/2019 08:32

View from the salt mines (my office lol) - the crawling Friday traffic ”car park” that would cripple any 20VT!

And the simple pleasures to wind down a crazy week. Enjoy yours!

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 28/03/2019 09:35

The spit and polish. Original paintwork just as it was in the showroom eons ago.

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 02/04/2019 09:34

The local MOT day. PASS!
”Lulus” means ”pass” in the local language.
And before that, a good wash.

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Posted By: Sedicivalvole

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 02/04/2019 12:03

Do I spot parking sensors on the car?
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 02/04/2019 13:20

Came as dealer fitted. Saved bodywork from from dings and dents. A necessary evil, as parking bay spaces here are less than generous. Even a pygmy would feel claustrophobic.
Posted By: AnnieMac

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 02/04/2019 14:00

Gosh, you have kept it in perfect nick the way people do with their Ferraris! I would be scared to drive it in case I scraped it.
Posted By: JKD

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 02/04/2019 18:24

What kind of attention/comments does it get in Malaysia?

Like in the UK, I've noticed it tends to be true car enthusiasts (those that don't care about badges) and kids who comment on the Coop.

Apart from that, nobody else really seems to be bothered nowadays.

For instance, something like a Supra will turn everybody's head, whether or not they are interested in cars. The amount of attention that car gets is just unbelievable! shocked
Posted By: Kelv27

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 03/04/2019 04:05

Originally Posted by ryvinson
The local MOT day. PASS!
”Lulus” means ”pass” in the local language.
And before that, a good wash.


Sold?
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 03/04/2019 07:38

Not short of offers, and negotiations ongoing. Aussie and American expats are the keenest.
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 03/04/2019 07:40

Originally Posted by AnnieMac
Gosh, you have kept it in perfect nick the way people do with their Ferraris! I would be scared to drive it in case I scraped it.


Thanks to an amazing mechanic and a trusty driver who maintains the 20VT’s condition while I’m away on business or back in Australia. Other than that, no special effort for its upkeep. That said, I’m careful where I park, as vandalism and tight parking spaces are nightmares.

Sorry for the drama with your coupe. Moot point I know, but it would be an easy, fast and inexpensive fix over here.
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 03/04/2019 07:43

Originally Posted by JKD
What kind of attention/comments does it get in Malaysia?

Like in the UK, I've noticed it tends to be true car enthusiasts (those that don't care about badges) and kids who comment on the Coop.

Apart from that, nobody else really seems to be bothered nowadays.

For instance, something like a Supra will turn everybody's head, whether or not they are interested in cars. The amount of attention that car gets is just unbelievable! shocked



The 20VT’s not especially attention-grabbing here, although I have seen people doing double takes when parked at bars or clubs. On odd occasions, some will mill around the car to check it out. Expats and tourists seem to be more drawn to the car than locals. That’s just about the extent it stands out from my limited experiences. Perhaps, the many head-turning supercars here have taken the shine off the 20VT lol.
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 05/04/2019 09:55

The Friday nite traffic madness.
All forgotten with some pints with the mates, and a hot meal.
Cheers all!

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 06/04/2019 07:02

Blistering hot day. Pulled over at a coconut stall by the roadside for blissful relief.

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 27/04/2019 12:13

Almost all enquiries begin with a startled “why’s the mileage so low for a 19-year old car?”!

The gentleman in the pic, an ex-racer and pit stop technician, spent nearly an hour poring through the car for rusts, dampness, damage, mechanical faults et al, but just couldn’t find any to his frustration. He, especially, couldn’t find any evidence that the mileage was tempered with, saying it was a trade secret in knowing how he could tell.

I didn’t show him the carefully collated maintenance records from Day One, attesting to the mileage at each service interval, excluding the wheel changes and tyre rotations, which I made sure the mileage is recorded as well.

I think my legal background has something to do with my OCD in documenting evidence lol.

No, I’m not hell bent on keeping the 20VT as the lowest mileage in the world. It’s strictly a leisure car for the lazy Malaysian weekends, which I’m not around to enjoy, being mostly an Aussie resident.

For the record, the mileage is 6,048 miles (9,734 km) today.

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Posted By: barnacle

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 27/04/2019 18:54

It'll be run in soon! laugh
Posted By: JKD

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 27/04/2019 20:56

ryvinson is yours a Malaysian model?

The side indicators are round and I thought only European models had the round ones and that models sold everywhere else had the rectangle ones? confused
Posted By: DaveG

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 27/04/2019 21:34

The rectangular side indcators are for Japan only
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 28/04/2019 11:47

Originally Posted by barnacle
It'll be run in soon! laugh


Haha...the mileage can be embarrassing...
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 28/04/2019 11:56

Originally Posted by JKD
ryvinson is yours a Malaysian model?

The side indicators are round and I thought only European models had the round ones and that models sold everywhere else had the rectangle ones? confused


Yes, shipped directly from Torino to Malaysia.

Not aware of the indicators’ shape. I think the 20VTs here follow UK specs, including the spare rim.

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Posted By: JKD

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 10/05/2019 13:15

ryvinson, would you say that Malaysia's overall warm weather and therefore little rain and therefore little mud as well as little snow and therefore little salt on the roads, has all played a big part in helping to keep your Coop rust free?
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 11/05/2019 02:27

No snow here and no salt put on roads, but plenty of rain and high humidity all year round. I think garaging the car and frequent washes help to keep the rust at bay. That’s excluding the fact that its seldom driven.
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 11/05/2019 04:48

Let there be suds!

Amazing how photogenic the 20VT is after all these years. Surely, one of the most underrated cars in auto history.

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 23/05/2019 10:32

The best thing about owning a 20VT here is the low-cost maintenance, spare parts availability and a handful of excellent mechanics specialising in the car’s service and repairs. And yet, many 20VTs are under-serviced and overdriven, as owners stinge on preventive maintenance. 20VTs with a full service history with dated workshop invoices as proof have to be very rare.

The mechanic (pic below), who keeps my car’s mechanicals in top shape, is so 20VT experienced that I swear he can do a cambelt change blind, and in half the time it would take the next best mechanic with 20/20 sight! A no-frills workshop in the outer suburbs, but has to be the best for Alfas and 20VTs.

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 20/08/2019 10:58


Nothing like a cast of thousands to keep a car squeaky clean. Almost criminal to have labour that cheap here, but that’s another story for another day.

Been away (US/Canada) for a while. Looking forward to drives to pub/bars to keep the mileage low lol.

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 30/08/2019 08:17


....a good cause day....sorry Salvos, not the 20VT this time...

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Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 08/11/2019 02:46

Just why the 20VT’s original paintwork’s still looking damn good, after 18 years from the factory, has to be a happy mystery. Could it be the “foreplay” washes?

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Posted By: JKD

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 08/11/2019 23:01

Originally Posted by ryvinson
Just why the 20VT’s original paintwork’s still looking damn good, after 18 years from the factory, has to be a happy mystery. Could it be the “foreplay” washes?


I could think of 9,776 reasons. wink
Posted By: ryvinson

Re: Rarest 20VT in the world? - 09/11/2019 02:15

Originally Posted by JKD
Originally Posted by ryvinson
Just why the 20VT’s original paintwork’s still looking damn good, after 18 years from the factory, has to be a happy mystery. Could it be the “foreplay” washes?


I could think of 9,776 reasons. wink


Lol
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