ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :(

Hi there.
Ah, ULEZ - thanks mr mayor, what a nightmare. Bought my Coupe in 1999, owned it from new, only done 88K miles. But then moved 2 roads inside the new expanded ULEZ zone. Never go into London, but still need to travel out about 400m to get on the motorway. So literally now costs me £12.50 every time I start it up. Just wondered if anyone else was in the same boat?
Heartbreaking as it's been a really good friend over the years and is running beautifully. Shame there's a 3 month wait on getting access to the sales/wanted part of the forum - would be great to pass it onto a coupe enthusiast.

sleepur you joined almost two years ago so all you have to do now is to apply as per here
and providing there are no issues you can start compiling an ad if you wish...

I have two customers who are in the same boat so there Coupes haven't left their garages until they've come to terms selling might be the case.

As for you selling it I'd be interested as you've owned it since new, please give me a call or email, cheers, Joe.

01684 593187
f_c_s_s@hotmail.com

sleepur, your links have been moved to another section because, as you correctly point out, they are not allowed unless they are part of the agreed format as indicated in my post to above this one.

You have applied for seller's permission already so incorporate them into the ad when it's ready; you have plenty of good photos ready to post

Thanks Edinburgh, happy to comply.

Haha, the universe has spoken though.
Took it through the expensive car wash option last week, only to find it covered in Sahara dust this morning.

wow, that orange sahara sand got everywhere. i guess cos it's so fine it was basically dissolved in the rainwater. anybody else?
on the plus side, it's a good marker, and reveals that all my seals appear to be working well.

They are expanding it again next year 2023 to cover everything inside the M25 . This will affect me as i live about 1.5 outside the current ULEZ on the A406 . I am pissed about this as my 20VT and 16VT will be affected also my Strada . My Fiat 131 is nearing completion this summer and will not be affected as its 43 years old tax free /mot free and ULEZ exempt .

So you just have to keep the Coupes and Strada in hibernation for 10-15 years or so...

We had this up here in Inverness shire. I was puzzled at first, the tyre tracks on the roads showed up in a way that I had never seen before. It took me a while to workout what it exactly was.

Well i have other things on my mind like interest rate hike,recession,Covid19 ,another pandemic,monkey pox and the threat of Nuclear war . Looking forward to the day i drive my 131 ULEZ exempt into central London for free just to piss off the mayor . I will post a picture on his twitter account Strada has 6 years to go ,16VT has 15 years 20VT has 17 years to be ULEZ free .

Same here, look forward to drive my 124 spider or Fulvia in central London.
Thought about hiring them out, cheap travel!

Could someone explain how this works; next year I'll be inside the ULEZ zone (hope not), if I drive within that area and avoid cameras. How would they know?

Yes most councils have cameras on nearly every street i know Redbridge does . They have vans in central London to catch people . Do the online consultation and try and stop this f£$ker https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/cleanair?tool=survey_tool . Its a disgrace this is even allowed when we will shortly be paying £10 per gallon of petrol . I paid £8.32 per gallon in tesco today .

The previous ULEZ used to be a smaller zone. They then expanded it so that the boundary is now the North and South Circular. Although that was a 18x increase in area, they only needed to install an additional 750 cameras. That's cos they can use existing traffic cameras & ANPR technology to make a really accurate guess on whether you are driving your car in ULEZ zone. Drivers are already tracked by this tech more than they realise, and it only becomes apparent if a regulation gets broken and an ANPR catches you doing it. The new zone will just check an extra regulation - i.e. "is the car that drove just past me ULEZ compliant?"
They've done a pretty good job of enforcing the boundary near me. All the exits/entrances are covered by new cameras, and it's literally impossible to beat it. There are a couple of back roads I can drive down for 5 mins where there are no cameras, but the minute I venture onto the high street or major thoroughfare, there is an ANPR enabled camera ready to talk the ULEZ database.
I would imagine the new zone will be similar - i.e. The new boundary will be the M25, which already has high camera density around it. Crossing that boundary will be made even more watertight (& lucrative) with new cameras, major routes will be tightened up, and existing cameras/tech on other routes all co-ordinating. And mobile units that they will move around. There will be lots of back roads that likely aren't covered, but they won't let you know that. quote - "Cameras will be placed at every entry and exit point and at appropriate locations within the zone. Transport for London does not publish the locations of its cameras, as this would undermine their deterrent effect. Some of the cameras will be moveable and will be placed at different locations within the zone, ensuring effective operation of the scheme."
I've got no doubt they'll do a thorough job with it.

My friend just bought a ULEZ exempt car the other day . He rang me to go with him and check the potential new purchase out . Its a South African Ford Escort 1976 MK2 1.6 automatic rust free . He loves it and he works for Ford

Anyone doing work on coupe EV Conversion ?

Will be doing some research
I came across this on you tube https://m.youtube.com/user/crispydoda
https://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=220

My thoughts would be to do a conversation that’s reversible

Would it be advantageous to play with the coupe weight distribution as battery could be located front and rear ?

I've finally got my ad ready to go :D, but now don't seem to have the permissions needed to post it in the new section for moderation.
Just wondered if there was anything else I needed to do.
Thanks in advance. (Have also messaged PeteP)

Phil, Selling Rules have changed very recently as indicated in each relevant section. There are no blanket "Permissions" any more and every ad is accepted on an individual basis.

I've PM'd you in any case as there is an issue with your photo link.

I have replied to Phil's PM, hopefully between us it will be sorted.

Pete, happy for you to continue this fix (if you are) as my two penn'orth will just complicate matters!

Can do Simon.

Problem was with user permissions in that forum, now resolved.

Thanks for flagging it up Phil.

This is going to affect me when it expands. I don't want to get rid, so I wonder if there may be a slim chance of a solution.

Stilo Abarth's are ULEZ compliant. G/km emissions are around the same as our coupes as I understand it. There is a place in Bow that can test the full compliance of a vehicle and upload the results to the ULEZ database to prove compliance. They are doing it for motorbikes (maybe they can only check them) as most are OK, but not according to the ULEZ checker. A lot of bikes were getting scrapped, unfairly.

Is it worth us testing a car to see what the NOx really is, as that's all they are bothered about?

Can Joe shed any light on this and the differences with the 2.4 engine?

Here's the link - https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/how-to-get-a-motorcycle-emissions-test-and-beat-the-ulez-charge/

Good post but seems no tester approved for pre 2004 vehicles at the moment see faq here https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/service/clean-vehicle-retrofit-accreditation-scheme/

also this link https://assets.publishing.service.g...dards-for-road-vehicles-19th-edition.pdf

No bike MOT pollution check so they are simply richening up the mixture, reducing the NOx, testing and registering the figure on the gov website. Never mind the other pollution figures...

A simple dodge with carbs or Alpha-N/MAP FI systems. If they implement an MOT for bikes that covers emissions they would come unstuck.

The only way round this for cars that require a pollution check at MOT is a FI system using an O2 sensor rather than a Lambda sensor

Sorry for being thick, but for us foreign types - whats ULEZ?

Ultra Low Emission Zone, being rolled out in this case in London but spreading elsewhere.

Is there hope ?

From this website https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/service/clean-vehicle-retrofit-accreditation-scheme/

Can I replace the engine in my car to become CAZ, LEZ or ULEZ compliant (engine re-power)?

This is possible, however there are no CVRAS approved re-powers for cars. This kind of conversion would be a DVLA notifiable modification in terms of engine number and engine capacity, but it would not lead to a change in emission values as stated on the vehicle’s V5C document (logbook) unless an expensive full rolling road emissions test is conducted to obtain the new emission values. This test would need to be conducted at a Vehicle Certification Agency (VCA) approved test facility and cannot be conducted at an MOT test centre.

Ah, thanks, should have realised, but not something we are likely to see here in rural France. Not many vehicles and from what there are, an awful lot of them would never comply. French country folk hang on to their cars until they just stop working!

Indeed it is not something in rural France atm however you should be aware of the French Crit'air system. It bans (on pain of fine) vehicle access to city/town centers based on a vehicles Euro emissions classification dependent on the pollution level declared on any given day. The Coupe will not always comply.

It’s looking gloomy ahead my reply from Retrofit company



Many thanks for your enquiry, we do not currently have a retrofit solution for the Fiat 20v. VIS ENGINE 182B3000 passenger car, it is up to the retrofit system suppliers to design, develop, test and apply for CVRAS approval to make vehicles compliant with ULEZ. They need to see a business case to do so.

It is unlikely a solution will come to market as it takes a significant investment to design, develop, test and approve a retrofit system so there needs to be a significant volume of the vehicle make and model requiring a retrofit solution to cover this investment. Retrofit systems are specific to make and engine so the number of variants needed to cover the market also prohibits system development

Very true, although where we live and the places that the coupe is likely to visit, they are are generally small and probably don't have enough traffic to measure the pollution!

The probability is that the sort of stuff that the farmers (and the many 'old boys') chug around in down here, probably make the Coupe look 'clean'!

I'm not convinced any of this (ULEZ, Crit'air etc.) is measured as such, as I don't believe it's really about pollution. GIven you knew nothing of ULEZ I thought you should know about Crit'air as you now live in France.

We generally stay put out in the sticks but after nearly 20 years here even we have the odd weekend away in places such as La Rochelle

ULEZ failed to nuke mine from the list of 437 remaining turbos. Now has a new owner who lives outside the M25.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?q=fiat+coupe#

Interesting spat on this subject today

Khan vs Lewis