No more high powered Coupes?

Has everyone given up on building high powered Coupes, as it's been very quiet for a long time now.

I think might have something to do with peoples disposable income, not many people have £1000s to on an aging Fiat these days

I thought there were three high powered ones in a recent Auto Italia?

Mine is going to be finished these days... actually I am struggling with crackbrained NPT-threads of my new Accusump.
After mounting it should be ready for a first breaking in...
Juergen

Throw some money at me and I'll gladly build a high powered coupé.

What would you class as high powered?

My build is also finished and we will be posting the results next week

When I picked my car up from flea your car (DLT) was looking pretty sorry for its self but flea assured me it would be great AGAIN.... Can't wait to see you results next week!! Has Flea mapped it??

Nick

Cheers Nick. Yes the poor old girl is looking a bit tired, but nothing that a respray won't sort out!

Just the e85 map left to do and then I pick her up on Thursday.....I can't wait Leighton really has gone the extra mile.

Is the E85 fuel readily available?

Epic, can't wait

How on earth did you find my link dave????

Why are you having an E85 map done when it isn't readily available in the UK? I hope we're going to see your power runs on pump fuel too.

I came across it whilst browsing your FCSS facebook page Jake. I hope you don't mind me posting the link, I thought it was too good not to share

A couple of reasons; for the France trip later this year (where it is readily available), and I fancy a trip to Santa Pod. I will be more than happy to share both sets of graphs

So you want to try and beat Flea's 1/4 mile time he did on race fuel, with E85?

That's cool Dave, I can rustle you up a video if you get some footage of the coupe on the rollers

I would like to beat the time Mavric set in the car. No launch or traction control this time....more power though

Cheers Jake that's really kind of you

That's ok mate, cant wait to see the results of your car, hopefully a new record

Here is a list for stations in France that sell that engine damaging petrol.
http://www.gps-data-team.com/where/E85_E._Leclerc_Arras

What fuel pump do you use? When I decided to change to e85 I did some calculations. You will need minimum a 850hp fuel pump to go beyond 600hp. Moreover you will need much bigger fuel lines and a completely changed fuel rail. Original fuel rail has a very restrictive plastic tube inside, which needs to be removed. You will need a high capacity external fuel regulator, please remember: You need about 30% more fuel with e85. And to the end you will need biiig injectors (I use 1200cc). Juergen

Juergen, you're giving away all your secrets!

Thanks for the link Joe, I've found 2 local fuel stations to Le Mans so happy days

E85 A11 - Aire Carrefour de la Sarthe Sarge le Mans
E85 Champion Le Mans

Oh yes indeed, my speciality bruva!
As D-day draws near here's a preview of whats to come....
Can't believe that the Coupe tuning scene has gone from strength to strength over the past 2 years.

Torque Italia Stage 3
OEM Lambo White
GTX'D



Quaife'D (Big thanks to Johnny Bigfoot)
And the brakes to match.



Most importantly managed by the superb Syvecs S6.
Est HP 500+ on pump gas.

Next


Torque Italia Stage 4
GT3076-56trim
Quaife'D(Big thanks to Johnny Bigfoot)
DTA Engine management.
Est HP 500 on pump gas.
Alfa GTA 330mm brakes.



GTX'D
Quaife'D(Big thanks to Johnny Bigfoot)
Syvecs S6 Engine management.
Est HP 500+ on pump gas.



Ahh, one of my favourites.

Torque Italia Stage 5 2.5L
GTX'D
Quaife'D(Big thanks to Johnny Bigfoot)
Omex 710 Engine management.
Est HP 600+ on pump gas.

Making a gut wrenching 297hp @ 3000rpm
At 1 bar it tickles 507hp, 410trq @ 6500rpm. much more to come naturally.

All will be revealed very soon.....

Note: As for Santa Pod, a well know member has smashed the long standing time on pump fuel! LOL!. I will leave that for him to comment

Isn't the last pic jbt's coupe?

Awesome!!!

It is Joe, I was lucky enough to see it on the rollers last week.

Very impressive.

I reckon we should go and smash the 1/4 mile time - without this race fuel/E85 and hoosier nonsense.

Hmmm... E85 and nonsense??? Sorry, but e85 is no nonsense for sure. It deliveres up to 20% more power than pump gas and has a much smoother combustion. We test engines at our test stand with special pressure sensor plugs. What you could see is that knocking (which sometimes occurs for short moments, even on standard engines with normal fuel) tends to go to zero, if using E85. Still better, you can leave a really big safety gap when mapping engines. All engines, my friends have mapped by using e85, are still alive and run very very well.

I think you're missing the point.

Wow!

You going some on those tight lanes kid...

Dont want any Mad cows stepping out on you testing E85.

I have removed the link due to comments of some unsuitable driving on public roads.

FCCUK do not condone any driving as such.

On other terms, good to see Joes coupe making some big power in sparco's old shell and DLT's nearly finished.

Im sure Barbz may push some more boundaries this year when this dam snow goes.

300bhp for me would be considered big power.

he Barbz,..... I just noticed,one of those photo`s is my car

You'll need to be VERY lucky to see it on the road....

Sorry John, couldn't resist it!! You can slap me tomorrow...

His Coupe doesn't really exist...

Got a few top draw engine builds on the way, keep an eye out for the 2.4 build results

By my reckoning, that's 520lbs/ft!!

I'll bet a Mars bar this will set the best 1/4 time
You going fit a Toucan dash and run the flex fuel?
Let me know when you see Ryan G, I'll pass by.

What's all this about the record 1/4 time being smashed?? Do tell!?
Dave

All will be revealed very soon!

looking forward to finding out, I'm amazed the record stood so long, not discrediting the amazing achievement in the first place but with the latest developments in the last couple of years I'd have thought it would've been improved upon earlier.

The probable reason is that quarter mile drag starts on big power Coupes tend to break gearboxes.

Ultimately, this isn't what the Coupe is about, so I think the appeal has diminished

Seeing a coupe hassle a super car around a track looks so much better than beating one up the strip

Oh yeah I understand a 1310kg fwd coupe is not the best candidate for drag racing compared to a tin can civic with 700hp but people are getting more power out of these cars now I would have thought somebody might have had a go.

Almost any car including impreza's, evo's,, mustangs will break gearboxes on a dragstrip due to the extreme shock off the line, gearbox development then moves on to allow them to go quicker.

It would be nice if there was a rolling acceleration competition

Nigel did you ever have a go at that 30-130 event the MLR boys originally started?

Yep, what is it? I might sneak in..

I considered it, but by then we had Specky in his 600+ bhp Tigra who was taking FWD honours wherever he went. At the last TOTB I entered, Specky came in the top ten overall in the top speed run - amazing car.

A Coupe is simply too heavy to do well in any acceleration event. Even with massive weight saving, you'll struggle to get it to a tonne. However, show the Coupe some bends and it comes into its own - far more fun.

What about in a punto a 2.5 20vt monster?
I my self have a punto with a 2ltr 16vt engine only standard but still very quick

I think your all missing the point here.
What do you expect from a 15 year old Italian car.

When people mention times what they fail to realise is a production fq300 Evo and an Audi Rs6 cannot break 13's
For me that's the benchmark of a quick car.

The coupe is an excellent drag weapon,as I proved a few months back.

The point here being that my car went down the strip as the only road car.
By road I mean
Fuel
Seats
No cage
No weight saving
No trailer
Macdonalds wrappers
Driven there and back
Etc etc
The only non road item were the drag slicks.
I drove it there,did 9 runs and drive it back with a boot full of tools and several costa coffee cups for company.

Many cars Didnt,so as for reliability I don't know why people condemn this car.
What else that cost 10k running over 600bhp could you comfortably do this in.
The only cars quicker than me are barely recognisable as cars.
Not to undermine them but there strictly a 1/4 mile car .

Some of them have spent over 500k and only driven the car for 500 seconds over 3 years.

All coupes including my own can hold there own at the strip,be abused on the track,cruise on the motorway and then be picturesque next to almost anything.
So is it really worth taking away everything to gain a few seconds?

I would rather conquer the big guns around 30 corners than one straight.

Maybe a handful of cars ever produced are as versatile.

What did your car do the quarter mile in John?

I agree with your comment about cars being unrecognisable, I was at bug jam the other weekend and there were a few supras, gtr amongst others which were doing 12's and they weren't proper cars, stupid bonnets, stupid tyres, not proper cars.....

Makes a lot of sense to me

Coupes are one of the worst cars to launch with really poor 60ft times. Luckily the long 3rd gear makes up for that.

Not at all,
Look at the mechanicals of this platform.
Driveshafts are very close to the subframe with the engine hung well in front of the car.

Very much like riding a powerful motorbike.
Lean forward to get the power down.
Just looking at the design,launching is exceptional as is grip even without an LSD.
But should induce massive under steer as it sometimes does in stock form.

The loss of grip lies with the rear suspension.

I partially agree - getting 1.5 tonnes moving from standstill in a FWD turbo'd car is not at all easy. In all of my many runs down the strip, I never got below 2 seconds for the 60-foot, with my best being a 2.01 on the way to a 12.38 et

I'm really tempted to try it again (now that I'm running a Quaife), but my adrenaline always trumps my mechanical sympathy and I can't afford to break any more bits

Without full dot rated slicks a 2.01 sec 60ft for a big bhp fwd really is not bad at all

I'm really tempted to try it again (now that I'm running a Quaife), but my adrenaline always trumps my mechanical sympathy and I can't afford to break any more bits [/quote]

You only live once Nigel, be an interesting comparison!

Nigel is the tightest man alive so your flogging a dead horse there

And he is getting on in his age too

Still looks younger than me .

Even I look younger than you John!!

Still run rings round you Alexis

I could probably run rings round JBT as well, but its too far...

Not to worry Nigel, their driving is a bit on the soft side

Women work and whiskey are the cause of premature ageing mate.

The latter makes the former more manageable.
Then you wake up and do it all again.

In response to You Barbz,the last time you attempted to keep up with me saw you spend most of your time scaring the crowd on the grass.

Santa pod,bruntingthorpe and Donington were all my victories but I will allow you to claim spa.
Best out of 10 now?
Ready and waiting for a rematch whenever you are and I will even bring you a cushion so you can see over the steering wheel

See you down da Pod, again

Fighting talk.......Round 1.....

Barbz needs to go Specsavers first of all.

It's not through bravery that he's driving like an animal. It's cos he can't see!!

LMFAO!!
Mr Mostasho got schooled by the Teacher!!

You best do a low 10 to beat my time then soldier

What time???

Have to ask Barbz he's got the ticket

Whats the most anyone ever got out of a 16vt? The italians had some big power versions going a few years back, and some funky 4wd conversions using the grale gear.

Getting sick of enquiring its all "secret squirrel" for some reason.

I think a 4wd one did a 10.9??or 11.9


Davie,I will update on my website soon with results once my web designer has finished perfecting the slow mo vids.

Its all a blur at 500+

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I think a 4wd one did a 10.9??or 11.9
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Thats right, I think they worked it into the mid 10's eventually, that one was in the high 400's but just lightened and well set up to put it down through the 4WD. Not exactly a road goer it had no lights. It was around bologna. There was one up north in torino where a chap was playing with some massive (claimed) numbers and 4wd, again all Grale evo gear.... Luca Lodi i think he was called...not sure what became of that.
I have the utmost respect and admiration for you guys who have carried the torch in the UK. Some incredible developments over the years.

Marcowind did a 10.6 several years ago in his Rama Racing 4wd 16vt - should imagine he's knocking on the doors of a 9 if he's still active

Check out Angelo Lanno's Coupe. Don't think anyone is coming close. Not exactly road legal. There was a 715bhp or so 16vt running NOS in Italy as well around the year 2000.

So what's the fastest 1/4 mile road legal coupe
And does eldinho still hold the fastest top speed ever recorded?

What's the hurry?

Can you remember what it was?

There's no hurry I was just enquiring as I'm really quite interested but as I said its all "secret squirrel" and "inner circle" just a bit annoying that's all.

170ish I think

I'll let you know once I do my top speed run at Wings and Wheels at the end of the month

170ish I think

SeanC has got footage of my top speed figure knocking on the door of 180mph

Mmm

No secrets just your perception.

Besides 'haste makes waste'.

It's not a secret, you just won't tell anyone lol

Well at Bruntingthorpe I remember leaving you all behind also doing around 180mph, but I only backed out as I was afraid those chinky tyres of mine were going to explode.

Forgot to mention the head start I gave your lag monster.

Hey, lag monster or not, once that thing starts sucking in the wildlife along the road, there's no catching it.

180mph top speed? Challenge accepted
at old setup (460bhp), 280kmh (via gps)
Now with 2.4 head, cams, solid lifters, 9000rpm... it must go faster!!!
and what is the 1/4 fastest time?

https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/0/AACbGkM...Q?size=1280x960

Can't see the video unfortunately mate??

Don't even bother asking about the 1/4 mile time...I did and regret asking, apparently someone MAY have broken it but the people involved are keeping it hush hush for some reason????

A bit of honesty would have been nice, for example they are waiting to update a website and this is part of an unveil then I would understand but instead they took the piss, won't be forgotten.

As far as I'm concerned Mavric and Flea still hold the fastest time at 11.9 seconds @ 119/120mph

Done with race fuel and slicks, so it doesn't count.

Well yes it does, it's the fastest overall FWD fiat coupe 20v time, whether its done with slicks, race fuel, fully lightened chassis etc etc its still the fastest 1/4 time achieved with a FWD layout and 20vt power plant.


We weren't looking for dedicated non slick everyday road car times, unless they can beat that time that is?

I don't like face fuel as its too unpredictable with ambient temps.
Therefor I won't use it unless the mapper is next to me.

Not to mention the correct pipework and pumps needed to operate correctly.
Drag slicks I love though.

I think there is too much of a fuss made about people complaining folks are using drag slicks, you wouldn't go running in a pair of slippers....

Well, that time has been beaten, so it doesn't really matter.

@JTB "Face fuel"

I'm with Davie, this whole secrecy thing is frankly pathetic

Now where did the gay emoticon go

Bloody predictive text.

I meant face fuel

You must have been on Face Time ....

I agree. It's also boring, let's talk about face fuel some more, that sounds interesting

Glad to see some people agree with how ridiculous the "secret squirrel" thing is, not just my perception eh Barbz? Cheeky sod

Luckily we don't care what you think.

Yeah, for someone who doesn't care, you're crying a hell of a lot.

Yeah its pathetic boring rediculous and silly

Jbt and Bigenz are those comments aimed at me?

Pretty rude comments.

Look out, the top secret power rangers are on one! Lol

I know of a VW that can do the 1/4 in 9 seconds......but I can't say anything more about that!

I'm glad you found time to buy the magazine there Phil .

Don't forget though that power isn't economical.
Really glad your back on here as this place just isn't the same without your nice comments lol lol lol

Davie if you don't like it then don't give it

Thanks John

I'm happy to be back

It was a youtube vid, you can't get UK mags out here unless at the airport.

You should've said Phil I would've gladly sent you a signed copy for some bedtime reading .

No need for that, I'd get bored, as I said earlier

You are a hard one to please Phil.
Do have a lovely evening,take care and speak soon.

Same to you

I really can't understand why the traders section closed with your lovely attitude.

Read the post,as I believe it was you who criticised followed by sulking when you got it back.

I reiterate,if you don't like it back then don't give it.

Sadly you don't know me, I was not sulking, I was very interested in the 1/4 mile discussion and found the secrecy infuriating tbh as other members have.

As a trader I'm pretty surprised at how you are acting. Losing my business and a couple of folks I know in the process.

Trader or not,when someone makes statements like you have done I fight my corner.
Your pleasant enough via email when enquiring about your car yet when there's a crowd you decide to be inconsiderate and rude.

What makes you think you've got the right to know what I get upto in my spare time just because I put up a comment saying I've been to Santa pod?

Come on guys, put your toys away, have a beer and go to bed. No need for this to get out of hand.

After coming back on here and finding the traders section gone, and reading lots of threads about the place isn't the same anymore. I don't think my previous 'nice' comments are the issue tbh John

I've looked for that 9 second VW video, it's a direct link from a friends mobile onto Facebook, so I can't post it on here.

Your pretty inconsiderate and rude yourself.

Do you not agree that making posts that state a record has been broken, yet refusing to give any further info is bating people in the first place?

Of course I'm pleasant when emailing you, I hadn't got into this discussion at that time. And it wasn't particularly you, it was Barbz's comment about it being my perception that wound me up. I'm not on my own other people have commented it was odd being so secretive.

Anyway you seem to have some issue with me, my comments above were not really that bad, perhaps you need to learn to take it?

Much love

Good idea.

Agreed.

And lock it.

We've kissed and made up

Oh that's better, don't forget to hold hands.

My, I missed all the fun.

Have we had enough tissues for everyone as it seems there were a lot of tears.

Guys... enough thank you.

:::LIKE:::

Shame that's another thread gone down the pan, was a good read.

Yes, the forum police have spoken children.

Maybe we should talk about more pressing matters that have crept up recently...

Yeah and the "useless shit stirrer of the day" award goes to you...

And the cry baby of the year award goes to you. Grow a pair will you.

I'll tell you what I will do....


.. Is step back from all this nonsense, I'm too old for crap like this. I'm out.

Either way guys get over it.

Back to the thread please.

We haven't had much track footage this year of the monster or even standard coupe come to think of it. I hope some will be posted soon, I miss seeing the coupe giving other cars a Kicking/run for there money.

I have found a secret video but it's so secret the car has been disguised as a golf



http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F

Let's run a book on JBT's time.

10.3 seconds with full face fuel.

I don't believe that Leighton's / Mavric's record has been broken, so until I see evidence that it has, the best UK 20vt quarter mile stands at 11.34

Give that man a pair of tweesers

We will see what the new owner of Mavrics coupe (DLT) gets aswell after the engine mount giving up last time

Yes the engine mounts were annihilated after the first run, still as a total novice he posted a 12.5 @ 121mph at Santa Pod in full road trim i.e. road tyres, full weight, normal fuel, and this wasn't max boost/power.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151913772889688

The terminal speed says it all, it wasn't just one run, but three runs at 120-121mph and no Coupe has gone faster, indeed as fast as my old 11.94 setup with drag slicks and race fuel. If the time has been broken then it will be interesting to see what terminal has been reached. David's 2.4 is more than capable of beating my 11.9, it is certainly faster than my Coupe!

Hysteria is what we need, love it!

Like I said earlier before toys were thrown out, soon, very soon.

I agree with Flea here, many, many 450-480hp coupes run these times consistently. Results look about right for DLT's spec, as a GT30 int wg, hard pushed to get past 480hp on pump gas.
Well done David if this is your first time out.

Agree with Nigel pics or it didn't happen hahaha

many other coupes run 121mph quarters do they?

Im sure that with the right foot work on the pedals that 622BHP monster should hopefully be able to crack the 10 second mark hoping that is hahahah

Many other Coupes run far quicker quarters than that. Just look at the guys in Greece.

And they really do have more than 600bhp, some over 700bhp.

Have you got any links for these cars, would love to see how they are setup and what all of the people in the uk are doing wrong im also guessing that they run on E85

Yes there were, several years back before these "inner circles" existed.

Just noticed.

Are you the infamous Jake from the 'Facelook, Moonlight Fiat Coupe thingy Club'???

I had a good chuckle at all the bravado, brilliant!

ahhh the facebook business, only a bit of banter I hope nothing taken to seriously just been on the greek fiat coupe website, they really do know how to modify there coupes utter mental hahaha

Really looking good until you get to the second link
http://www.fiatcoupeclub.gr/joomla/index...y&Itemid=56

ARRGGHH my poor eyes!

http://www.fiatcoupeclub.gr/joomla/index...y&Itemid=56

That first link Jake is Cowboy's engine bay, so not Greek, but Welsh

You know what guys,give it a rest.

Any onlookers can see the stirring that goes on and I really don't have a fight in me anymore I'm tired from it all.

Commitment and dedication does create competitiveness throughout any trade.
We've all said things but look on the positive side,we have created some incredible machinery down the years.
This shit really does take the shine off any achievement both from customers and traders.

I know we're not going to spend Christmas together but enough is enough,.

Well said.

The thread maybe burning out now.

Hopefully will be updated from now with some exciting new developments instead!

Keep innovating guys.

http://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=167962

Here's something to chew over from the past.
Well known forum member of the day, Markus runs first place with a 12.7 at Forza italia in 2006.

His modest spec was:

TI spec'd
GT28rsr
50 shot of nos
Worn Dunlop drag slicks, though useless

There are integrales that run well over 1000 bhp from the 2,0 lampredi....
Look up german hillclimb sites, couple of integrales at 7-800 hp, and those car have to be drivable....

700hp 850nm

OMG - long way to go boys!!

Very impressive and nice looking car. would love to take it to Tesco

I raise you 700hp and give you 982bhp 1.8 integrale from 6 years ago!

Epic.