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Metal question

Posted By: Edinburgh

Metal question - 04/06/2020 09:03

After years of an outdoor lamp malingering in the back (communal) garden I've decided to try and refurb it chinny
It has a glass surround which takes a hefty candle and has a generous carrying handle.

It's rusty as hell so I've ordered Evaporust, something I've been meaning to get hold of for a while and looking for an excuse laugh Saw it working originally on a restoration channel called Hand Tool Rescue, and I've even got a couple of the wrenches this chap has made. I think it's a hoot as well as looking at impressive skills (to me!)

One part of the lamp which has pretty well crumbled is a sort of mantle - ok it's a perforated cylinder 45mm diameter and 50mm high with 5mm holes which is welded (brazed?) onto a covering cap which sits on top of the glass.

Bits have already fallen off this so I'm attempting to source a replacement without going into silly money. I've found a perforated steel tube but it's 50.8mm diameter and 1.6mm thick - the original is probably only 0.5mm.

Maybe I should get a flat piece of perforated (?mild) steel and form it into a cylinder....

Then I have to find someone to assemble it confused

Any suggestions please?

Pics on the way



Attached picture Lamp1.jpg
Attached picture Lamp2.jpg
Posted By: jimboy

Re: Metal question - 04/06/2020 09:24

Hi Simon, I have the very stuff in my shed that may suit your needs. Stainless steel perforated flat sheet left over from my welding days in the oil yards. I never throw anything away laugh PM me and I may be able to help.
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Metal question - 04/06/2020 09:30

Wow Jim that's quick!

Do you reckon this thing might be brazed?

The sheet needs to be able to form easily so not too thick!
Posted By: jimboy

Re: Metal question - 04/06/2020 09:38

It’s not too thick Simon . All you need to do is form the sheet around something rounded the size that’s required, now welding stainless is another mater, but you may be able to jam the cylinder in the hole.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Metal question - 04/06/2020 09:45

45mm = 1 & 3/4" so should be able to get suitabler exhaust silencer parts.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/45mm-1-7...Pipe-Exhaust-Repair-1-2-MTR/252086082240

or

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STAINLESS-STEEL-304-GRADE-TUBE-PERFORATED-UNIVERSAL-SIZES-ALL-LENGTHS-HEAVY-DUTY/263281892031?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=562287708985&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

look similar.
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Metal question - 04/06/2020 09:46

Right.

There are two rings at top and bottom which seem to sit "inside" the cylinder, possibly to attaching to the cap above.
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Metal question - 04/06/2020 09:54

Originally Posted by GrahamL
45mm = 1 & 3/4" so should be able to get suitabler exhaust silencer parts.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/45mm-1-7...Pipe-Exhaust-Repair-1-2-MTR/252086082240

or

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STAINLESS-STEEL-304-GRADE-TUBE-PERFORATED-UNIVERSAL-SIZES-ALL-LENGTHS-HEAVY-DUTY/263281892031?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=562287708985&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

look similar.


I'm spoilt for choice! These didn't appear in my searches confused

Am I justified in thinking that the original metal has degraded such that it has thinned down to around 0.5mm, i.e. it was originally thicker?
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Metal question - 09/06/2020 08:00

The "weld" used to fasten these parts together is brassy in colour unlike the steel being joined.

Anyone know what technique might have been used?
Posted By: Countrycruising

Re: Metal question - 09/06/2020 08:04

Sounds like it's been brazed Simon.
Posted By: jimboy

Re: Metal question - 09/06/2020 08:24

That’s been brazed as Joe has said Simon.
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Metal question - 09/06/2020 08:53

Cheers chaps, will definitely be farming this job out!
Posted By: jimboy

Re: Metal question - 09/06/2020 09:01

Easy job Simon, but you need the equipment.
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Metal question - 09/06/2020 10:11

Originally Posted by jimboy
Easy job Simon, but you need the equipment.


Mrs Ed... "where are you going to keep that" laugh
Posted By: PeteP

Re: Metal question - 09/06/2020 13:22

Not that large Simon, I braze with just a propane torch, No oxygen cylinders needed.

I use something like this but older.

it screws onto a propane or propane/mapp canister.
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Metal question - 09/06/2020 13:47

There's a whole metal world out there beyond Slipknot... laugh
Posted By: Countrycruising

Re: Metal question - 09/06/2020 15:33

If you have a blow torch similar to the one Pete uses you could also lead solder the two pieces together.
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Metal question - 09/06/2020 17:11

Originally Posted by Countrycruising
If you have a blow torch similar to the one Pete uses you could also lead solder the two pieces together.


Well as it happens I'm negotiating getting perhaps one of these Rothenberger jobs for my recent birthday..

("where are you going to put that" ) laugh
Posted By: Countrycruising

Re: Metal question - 09/06/2020 19:18

That's looks like the perfect piece of kit just for the job cool
Posted By: jimboy

Re: Metal question - 24/06/2020 08:12

Hi Simon how are things going on your project?
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Metal question - 24/06/2020 09:15

Funny you should ask Jim, very well in fact as I just got it back from being brazed late yesterday evening!

A chap who did my yellow camcover/black plug cover years ago is still operating and sorted it for pennies cool

Thanks for all the advice and to Jim for supplying material thumb

I'll post a pic later....
Posted By: jimboy

Re: Metal question - 24/06/2020 09:58

Great stuff Simon.
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Metal question - 24/06/2020 20:03

Pics

Attached picture Glass lamp1.jpg
Attached picture Glass lamp2.jpg
Posted By: jimboy

Re: Metal question - 25/06/2020 09:15

That looks really smart Simon. In the words of the song.........You light up my life, you make me feel brand new. love
Posted By: DaveG

Re: Metal question - 25/06/2020 12:21

Ooh steady on you two, sounds like a bit of man-love going on there

Simon can we have some action pics of it in use?
Posted By: Countrycruising

Re: Metal question - 25/06/2020 12:34

That's an impressive light, hope it's hung somewhere safe.
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Metal question - 25/06/2020 14:32

Originally Posted by Countrycruising
That's an impressive light, hope it's hung somewhere safe.



Yeah, I've asked the same brazing chap to fashion a forward-mounted pole for BumbleBee for it to hang from to see in the dark a bit better tongue
Posted By: Edinburgh

Re: Metal question - 25/06/2020 14:35

Originally Posted by DaveG
Ooh steady on you two, sounds like a bit of man-love going on there


Have to admit I needed to read it twice before giving it the benefit of the doubt laugh

Originally Posted by DaveG
Simon can we have some action pics of it in use?


Like, lamping someone?





(translate that, southerners laugh )
Posted By: Countrycruising

Re: Metal question - 25/06/2020 14:37

Originally Posted by Edinburgh
Originally Posted by Countrycruising
That's an impressive light, hope it's hung somewhere safe.



Yeah, I've asked the same brazing chap to fashion a forward-mounted pole for BumbleBee for it to hang from to see in the dark a bit better tongue


laugh
Posted By: jimboy

Re: Metal question - 25/06/2020 15:51

[quote=DaveG]Ooh steady on you two, sounds like a bit of man-love going on there

Erm, it was from the lamps point of view..... laugh
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