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Scotland to Northern Italy driving trip 2018 #1614348
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After many many years of flying to Italy we have been talking about a driving trip to Italy on and off now for a little while now. Not made any solid plans as of yet but time is marching on for 2018.

It was mentioned by my better half that the mode of transport for this trip should be our family Volvo v50. However I've just been asked rather surprisingly what car I'd like to take out of the Abarth 500 or the coupe turbo. Not sure the coupe is 100% mechanically ready for the round trip of 2400 miles. But I'd love to take the Abarth equally... after all it is an Italian trip.

We do have 2 small dogs that will be joining us on the trip so it will be a little tighter for space but possible I believe.

Has anyone experienced a driving trip to italy from the UK? In a coupe or something italian preferably. Any advice on the trip? We have already clocked up a few thousand miles of driving hire cars in Italy so know what to expect with driving.


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Stampede of anniversary Turin-ers expected...... laugh


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Re: Scotland to Northern Italy driving trip 2018 [Re: Rosso] #1614356
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Oh yes laugh

p.s. 2400 miles is nothing: Immediately after Joe and I got the 16NA back together after an engine rebuild and some rust fixin', I drove Herefordshire to Hertfordshire, and then 4,500 miles up to north west Norway and back.

For Italy, I prefer to go to Germany and turn right at Aachen, then cross Austria (fuel is cheap there) and into northern Italy conveniently close to the Stelvio Pass... Through France I'd use the A roads rather than the motorways; I hate paying for those and they ain't cheap. And besides, the A roads are significantly more interesting.


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Re: Scotland to Northern Italy driving trip 2018 [Re: Rosso] #1614359
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The A roads were excellent when I drove though france. It added time but was more interesting

Re: Scotland to Northern Italy driving trip 2018 [Re: Edinburgh] #1614373
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Stampede of anniversary Turin-ers expected...... laugh


Some practice for the next anniversary for us driving


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Originally Posted By barnacle
Oh yes laugh

p.s. 2400 miles is nothing: Immediately after Joe and I got the 16NA back together after an engine rebuild and some rust fixin', I drove Herefordshire to Hertfordshire, and then 4,500 miles up to north west Norway and back.

For Italy, I prefer to go to Germany and turn right at Aachen, then cross Austria (fuel is cheap there) and into northern Italy conveniently close to the Stelvio Pass... Through France I'd use the A roads rather than the motorways; I hate paying for those and they ain't cheap. And besides, the A roads are significantly more interesting.


Thanks Neil I will have a wee look at going via Germany. Don't know if I could persuade Pauline to go via the Stelvio though as she has seen some of the photos of the pass and I think she would rather pass on the pass but it would be a shame not to.

I've ben looking at something like this route. The Gottard pass looks well worth a visit.


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Interesting to me as am doing Leicester to Tarquinia Italy in July to visit my sister. Am intending to go straight after the Silverstone Classic and I plan to take the overall trip in a 2-3 week period and probably go Eurotunnel then best road to Reims, then Strasbourg or Metz and into Switzerland. Then cross the Gotthard Pass and drop into Milan. Then Perhaps Pisa before last leg to Tarquinia. On the way back I will stop at the places I didn't on the way down, ie Lucerne. I would like to also visit Portofino if I get time and get a snap of my coupe by the town sign- after all its not every day that the colour of your car is so good that they name a place after it! wink

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Re: Scotland to Northern Italy driving trip 2018 [Re: Rosso] #1614393
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I have done Sheffield to Milan many times in various cars, including a Cinquecento, X19, F355 and most recently a 246 Dino - the latter 2 were not mine BTW.

Mention you are a member of a car club to P&O ferries and you will get a sizeable discount on the tickets, particularly on he over night crossings.

I have always taken in one of the Alpine passes, St Bernadino/Stelvio etc. Motoring abroad is so much easier than driving over here.

As for the cars, the Cinquecento was newish at the time, so I cant compare that to going in a 20+ year old car, but the other 3 have all been of similar age or older.
I have taken the Coupe to Le Mans a couple of times recently and it is a great car to drive abroad and whilst I haven't taken it as far as Italy, it takes on a different feel on the French A roads and it eats the miles up on the motorway and in more comfort than the 355.
The X19 and Dino, whilst capable, was much less comfortable and therefore more tiring, but at the same time, more rewarding in many ways, even with the minor issues that developed on the journey.

Got to take an Italian car though, the Police and road workers just wave you on and encourage you to go faster if your in anything interesting and Italian! driving

Re: Scotland to Northern Italy driving trip 2018 [Re: Rosso] #1614394
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On the Turin trip, we took the "direct route" through the French toll roads (they are sooo good we don't mind paying) stopping overnight in Chambery. From there, it is an easy hop to Italy via the Frejus tunnel.

After Turin, the return leg was via the Aosta Valley, then up over the St Bernard pass, to Switzerland. Then we crossed over into Chamonix for a week of R&R. The Coupe was an extremely comfortable car for the trip... albeit the air con was kaput, so we roasted slowly in Italy. But hey, a bit of garlic and red wine, and we made a lovely casserole. rolleyes

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I've driven the Coupe to Italy twice, first was when it was pretty new and I just had to test the speedo up to 155mph on the Autobahns en route to Venice. Second time was the brilliant Turin trip in 2014, took a similar/quick route there (stayed overnight in Lyon) but on the way back went via the Stelvio pass and dropped in at the Nurburgring and the Abarth "museum" in Belgium cool


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Re: Scotland to Northern Italy driving trip 2018 [Re: Ballypete] #1614434
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The Gotthard pass looks like a great road... though not sure about the adjacent road Tremola i think its called. Might be a few 3 point turns on it for the Coupe. And not sure I want to be stuck in the tunnel.
Lucerne for us I think will be a good place to stop overnight before the last stint to the lakes.
Portofino is a must stop it would be a shame for you not to and a great shot to look back at.
Enjoy the drive in July when it comes.


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Originally Posted By X19_pilot
I have done Sheffield to Milan many times in various cars, including a Cinquecento, X19, F355 and most recently a 246 Dino - the latter 2 were not mine BTW.

Mention you are a member of a car club to P&O ferries and you will get a sizeable discount on the tickets, particularly on he over night crossings.

I have always taken in one of the Alpine passes, St Bernadino/Stelvio etc. Motoring abroad is so much easier than driving over here.

As for the cars, the Cinquecento was newish at the time, so I cant compare that to going in a 20+ year old car, but the other 3 have all been of similar age or older.
I have taken the Coupe to Le Mans a couple of times recently and it is a great car to drive abroad and whilst I haven't taken it as far as Italy, it takes on a different feel on the French A roads and it eats the miles up on the motorway and in more comfort than the 355.
The X19 and Dino, whilst capable, was much less comfortable and therefore more tiring, but at the same time, more rewarding in many ways, even with the minor issues that developed on the journey.

Got to take an Italian car though, the Police and road workers just wave you on and encourage you to go faster if your in anything interesting and Italian! driving


A great assortment of Italian cars to have done it in. Not sure my coupe is in tip top conditioned as it may have to be so the Abarth would be next inline though I don't think it would eat the miles up as easily as the coupe. Might have to get some extra padding for the sparco buckets if its the coupe we take. But it does have a higher driving position which helps with longer drives.


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Originally Posted By Gripped
On the Turin trip, we took the "direct route" through the French toll roads (they are sooo good we don't mind paying) stopping overnight in Chambery. From there, it is an easy hop to Italy via the Frejus tunnel.

After Turin, the return leg was via the Aosta Valley, then up over the St Bernard pass, to Switzerland. Then we crossed over into Chamonix for a week of R&R. The Coupe was an extremely comfortable car for the trip... albeit the air con was kaput, so we roasted slowly in Italy. But hey, a bit of garlic and red wine, and we made a lovely casserole. rolleyes


Did you look at one of those automatic things for going through the tolls?

Ah id have to get the a/c sorted out for sure and the sunroof opening especially for keeping the dogs happy.


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Originally Posted By Rosso

Did you look at one of those automatic things for going through the tolls?

Ah id have to get the a/c sorted out for sure and the sunroof opening especially for keeping the dogs happy.


Nope, we just used the credit card as usual. It's pretty quick. Queues like the Severn Bridge are very rare. It might be worth doing though if there are discounts to be had.

Air con would be a must in the summer. I still need to get mine sorted, despite replacing most of it already, it still aint working due to a minor leak somewhere.

Re: Scotland to Northern Italy driving trip 2018 [Re: X19_pilot] #1614633
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Originally Posted By X19_pilot
Mention you are a member of a car club to P&O ferries and you will get a sizeable discount on the tickets, particularly on he over night crossings.


Tried that on today with DFDS but didn't work however still managed to get a sizeable discount for booking early. And so we are on the ferry from Amsterdam to Holland... which is great as we shall be missing out most of the UK.

By taking the ferry we really only need to make one overnight stop. Lucerne looks a good place as any.

Can anyone recommend good breakdown cover? AA are offering discounts to existing members.


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Originally Posted By Rosso
still managed to get a sizeable discount for booking early. And so we are on the ferry from Amsterdam to Holland


Explains the discount tongue

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Re: Scotland to Northern Italy driving trip 2018 [Re: Rosso] #1614636
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Ha despite getting a price from them 2 days ago that was more.


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Doris passed her MOT today with no advisories so my road trip to Italy is definitely on and I am pretty much booked and arranged.

After getting into France we will be stopping in Metz for a couple of days, then onto Andermatt for two days before Gotthard Pass and then down to Livorno (visit Pisa) and on to my sisters in Tarquinia. On the way back it will be Genoa for a couple, then Lausanne for a couple and then Luxembourg before heading back towards Calais.

The only thing I haven't booked so far is European breakdown cover- does anyone have a recommendation here?


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Re: Scotland to Northern Italy driving trip 2018 [Re: Rosso] #1614681
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The main recommendation is to be cautious and read the small print.

Many of the usual suspects will only cover recovery up to their valuation of the car if it's over ten years old (i.e. not a lot for a twenty year old coupe); if they predict it's more than that you'll get back but without the car, just with a cheque in your pocket.

You may need to talk to classic recovery companies.


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Re: Scotland to Northern Italy driving trip 2018 [Re: Rosso] #1614692
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So without that agreed value there would be trouble getting it home or it would heading for the nearest garage in Italy?


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Re: Scotland to Northern Italy driving trip 2018 [Re: Rosso] #1614708
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Originally Posted By Rosso
A great assortment of Italian cars to have done it in. Not sure my coupe is in tip top conditioned as it may have to be so the Abarth would be next inline though I don't think it would eat the miles up as easily as the coupe. Might have to get some extra padding for the sparco buckets if its the coupe we take. But it does have a higher driving position which helps with longer drives.


Indeed I have been lucky to have been in such an assortment, obviously some a lot more than others! biglaugh Although the Stelvio claimed brake failures in the Cinquecento and the Dino, so make sure yours are in very good order if going over if you plan on going over one of the more extreme Alpine passes!
The Cinq was down to worn pads and the Dino was a failed O-ring on some part of the brake system. It wasnt a nice feeling on either occasion! biglaugh

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Tried that on today with DFDS but didn't work however still managed to get a sizeable discount for booking early. And so we are on the ferry from Amsterdam to Holland... which is great as we shall be missing out most of the UK.

By taking the ferry we really only need to make one overnight stop. Lucerne looks a good place as any.

Can anyone recommend good breakdown cover? AA are offering discounts to existing members.


I am surprised DFDS dont have similar offers as P&O in terms of discounts for motoring clubs. We saved well over £100 on an over night crossing a couple of years ago from Hull to Zebrugge

Classic Line insurance offer free European breakdown cover as part of the policy (or it might be a small charge option now). I havent used it, but my Dad has. He couldn't really fault it, the car was recovered back to the UK after the breakdown, and he was given a courtesy car to continue his trip. He said the only inconvenience was having to drop the loan car off at Calais and board as a foot passenger with the luggage and then wait for another one in Dover, which was to be expected.
The car was delivered to his house a couple of days after he got back. This was about 5-6 years ago mind, so things might have changed as is the norm with these policies being run more and more by numbers!

There is something in the small print about the value of the car vs recovery charges though as mentioned above, so have a chat with them to make sure you are covered.

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^ I've also found ClassicLine helpful.

A few of these agencies seem to use the same insurance company for classic cars - Equity Red Star. But the conditions (and prices) can change markedly depending who you go with.


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Or you contact me and I will recover you,but it will cost something.


How much?


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I read on a previous thread back in 2014 Glynwood offered full recovery back to UK. Is there anyone currently using Glynwood euro cover?


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Brian, when Sarah worked for Glynwood a few years ago they were doing attractive deals for Coupe owners. They had me with ERS classic policy as above which included repatriation to UK say when I went to Spa, think it was 30 day maximum. Sadly Glynwood has "moved on"....

Might be worth a call to ERS direct and see what they say?


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Ah I see. There is no mention on the Glynwood about breakdown cover.

Yep just been looking at your suggestion above. Ill give them a call as there doesn't look to be any online options.

Ive seen a few suggestions on here a while back about ADAC but my German is rather poor.


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Or you contact me and I will recover you,but it will cost something.


How much?







That would depend on where you would be at the time.



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Interesting posts,

There must be something in the air- (brexit?)- as I'm in the process of planning a similar escape south - to take in Route Napoleon. Not too sure what route back yet...but maybe not via France.

Having a good uk resource to get you home sounds sensible...depending if you have a breakdown its somewhere accessible - you know outside the edge of a little bar near the a village in the south of france that are selling some nice local vino...rather then a breakdown lane of a motorway and the gendarmes wanting you moved and now.

Also that recent German visitor to UK made me think of the benefits of a friendly "hello"- to eu coupe clubs that your passing through may be an added protection?

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Don't think I'd mind too much being stuck in in Italy just so long as its not on the autostrada.

I like the idea of that maybe have to look up the coupe clubs on route.


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