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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1409633
07/02/2013 21:44
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Hopefully Dave you'll never have to go through what some of the high powered boys did.
Maybe St. John has learned from his mistakes.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1409635
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Congrats on all the results!

What was the issue running the standard ecu?

Last edited by sherlock; 07/02/2013 22:00. Reason: Added my congratulations!
Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1409639
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Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
Hopefully Dave you'll never have to go through what some of the high powered boys did.
Maybe St. John has learned from his mistakes.


I'm sorry?? Which big powered boys, what mistakes?


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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1409640
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Actually don't bother replying, I couldn't care for all this anymore. The evidence is there, not my evidence either.


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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Flea] #1409641
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Originally Posted By: Flea
DLT mentioned the AFRs and ECUs, so I have compiled a few graphs of Barbz's car as it has been on Surrey RR more than any other.

This is Barbz's last Surrey RR graph with the 2.4 before his engine spun number three big end bearing. Same turbo as the current 2 litre setup with 1.45bar, mapped by me on the factory Bosch ECU.

click to enlarge

If we overlay the torque and BHP curves we can see the difference between the old and new set-ups.

click to enlarge click to enlarge

As for the air fuel ratios, well over the last couple of years I have mapped Barbz's car on a few different setups and turbos, all of which have been on Surrey RR's dyno.

Jan 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar
click to enlarge click to enlarge

March 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar
click to enlarge click to enlarge

May 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar
click to enlarge click to enlarge

December 2011 - GTX3076R turbo @ 1.45bar
click to enlarge


Fuelling Jan 2011 looks great.. Fuelling May 2011 looks naff - what went wrong?

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1409644
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Naff??? Take a look again???


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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1409652
07/02/2013 22:38
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Sorry flea Didnt mean any offence,just hoping Daves car goes ok.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Flea] #1409653
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Originally Posted By: Flea
Naff??? Take a look again???


Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem!

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1409657
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Indeed, so I will defer to you.


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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1409660
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Originally Posted By: group5lancia
Originally Posted By: Flea
Naff??? Take a look again???


Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem!


Please explain


Enjoying Coop ownership, second time round . Also enjoying RWD action in a thundering V8 E90 M3.
Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1409671
07/02/2013 23:18
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Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
Hopefully Dave you'll never have to go through what some of the high powered boys did.
Maybe St. John has learned from his mistakes.


Thanks John.

I don't know what problems you speak of, however I have had my share with this car in fairness. Having to pay for a full rebuild and the replacement of the forged internals being the main one.

I don't know the exact reason for this just yet, but Leighton has a video from when the engine was stripped down which apparently makes interesting viewing.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1409675
07/02/2013 23:23
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Originally Posted By: group5lancia
Fuelling Jan 2011 looks great.. Fuelling May 2011 looks naff - what went wrong?


Originally Posted By: group5lancia
Originally Posted By: Flea
Naff??? Take a look again???


Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem!


Code:
	Jan	May
2500	14.2	14.7
3000	14.4	14.7
3500	13.8	14.4
4000	12.7	13.2
4500	11.8	12.3
5000	11.8	12.2
5500	11.8	12.0
6000	11.8	11.6
6500	12.2	11.8
7000	12.2	11.8
7500		11.8


Sorry which one was great and which one was naff??


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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Flea] #1409680
07/02/2013 23:45
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Originally Posted By: Flea
Originally Posted By: group5lancia
Fuelling Jan 2011 looks great.. Fuelling May 2011 looks naff - what went wrong?


Originally Posted By: group5lancia
Originally Posted By: Flea
Naff??? Take a look again???


Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem!


Code:
	Jan	May
2500	14.2	14.7
3000	14.4	14.7
3500	13.8	14.4
4000	12.7	13.2
4500	11.8	12.3
5000	11.8	12.2
5500	11.8	12.0
6000	11.8	11.6
6500	12.2	11.8
7000	12.2	11.8
7500		11.8


Sorry which one was great and which one was naff??


You tell me - they can't BOTH be spot on... So which one do you consider you got best?

Peak variance is 8% - that's quite a lot...

p.s. in May I see the richest is <11.6 between 5900 and 6200 - or am I reading the graph wrong?

Code:
2500	14.2	14.7		103.52%		
3000	14.4	14.7		102.08%		
3500	13.8	14.4		104.35%		
4000	12.7	13.2		103.94%		
4500	11.8	12.3		104.24%		
5000	11.8	12.2		103.39%		
5500	11.8	12		101.69%		
6000	11.8	11.6		98.31%		
6500	12.2	11.8		96.72%		
7000	12.2	11.8		96.72%

Last edited by group5lancia; 07/02/2013 23:54.
Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: DLT] #1409727
08/02/2013 07:52
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Originally Posted By: DLT
Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
Hopefully Dave you'll never have to go through what some of the high powered boys did.
Maybe St. John has learned from his mistakes.


Thanks John.

I don't know what problems you speak of, however I have had my share with this car in fairness. Having to pay for a full rebuild and the replacement of the forged internals being the main one.

I don't know the exact reason for this just yet, but Leighton has a video from when the engine was stripped down which apparently makes interesting viewing.


That would be interesting as Barbz has videos of it being built.I guess any engines only as strong as the air and fuel mix.
Shame as its still the quickest engine down Santa pod.


Looking forward to seeing the results as this will be the best 2.4 ever.

Be nice to compare it with my graphs.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1409753
08/02/2013 10:07
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Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo



Looking forward to seeing the results as this will be the best 2.4 ever.

Be nice to compare it with my graphs.


You and me both! Unfortunately the purse strings have had to be pulled in a bit due to having 2 hefty mortgages (long storey). This has meant I have had to compromise in certain areas like wastegate, manifold and exhaust.

It's a shame, but I don't think your top spot will be challenged laugh

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1409938
09/02/2013 12:08
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Originally Posted By: Barbz
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9 Years and no deal on an S8


Hello Jay

Longtime, i heard you been a busy lad wink. We need to catch up sometime soon... smile

Yes, got a proper deal on S80 mate, thanks. thumb


Very very busy, no time to come on here, even to sell my own engine frown

Charlie mentioned that he had a Coupe day so though id have a nose about.

Now you know i mean S8 and NOT S80 laugh

Please drop me a PM with your number and we'd catch up. Nice work on the car BTW must be brutal!

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1410135
10/02/2013 18:30
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The silence is deafening....

Originally Posted By: group5lancia
Originally Posted By: Flea
Originally Posted By: group5lancia
Fuelling Jan 2011 looks great.. Fuelling May 2011 looks naff - what went wrong?


Originally Posted By: group5lancia
Originally Posted By: Flea
Naff??? Take a look again???


Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem!


Code:
	Jan	May
2500	14.2	14.7
3000	14.4	14.7
3500	13.8	14.4
4000	12.7	13.2
4500	11.8	12.3
5000	11.8	12.2
5500	11.8	12.0
6000	11.8	11.6
6500	12.2	11.8
7000	12.2	11.8
7500		11.8


Sorry which one was great and which one was naff??


You tell me - they can't BOTH be spot on... So which one do you consider you got best?

Peak variance is 8% - that's quite a lot...

p.s. in May I see the richest is <11.6 between 5900 and 6200 - or am I reading the graph wrong?

Code:
2500	14.2	14.7		103.52%		
3000	14.4	14.7		102.08%		
3500	13.8	14.4		104.35%		
4000	12.7	13.2		103.94%		
4500	11.8	12.3		104.24%		
5000	11.8	12.2		103.39%		
5500	11.8	12		101.69%		
6000	11.8	11.6		98.31%		
6500	12.2	11.8		96.72%		
7000	12.2	11.8		96.72%

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1410194
10/02/2013 21:48
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Originally Posted By: group5lancia
The silence is deafening....


Indeed, although if you haven't figured it out yet then I fear you may end up permanently deaf.


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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Flea] #1410276
11/02/2013 12:11
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Originally Posted By: Flea
Originally Posted By: group5lancia
The silence is deafening....


Indeed, although if you haven't figured it out yet then I fear you may end up permanently deaf.


Well I can't see how they can both be right on the same engine... if I could figure out what you are saying I wouldn't ask for an explanation.

click to enlarge

and my ears are definitely able to hear at normal sound levels...

Last edited by group5lancia; 11/02/2013 12:23.
Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1410355
11/02/2013 18:29
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Well that's the rub of it, you don't see, you don't understand. If you can't figure it out without my help, then clearly you are not in a position to comment. Perhaps next time you'll think again before declaring something is "naff".


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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1410365
11/02/2013 19:27
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I'm no video expert, or youtube premium user, but here are some videos of the day.

Barbz on the rollers.

Pero on the rollers.

and to top it off experience the might of the lowest powered Coupe on the day...

My Coupe on the rollers.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1410368
11/02/2013 19:45
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<Moderator>Can you please keep the handbags off this thread.</moderator>

Not aimed at you Chris.


16VT and X1/9 1500

We must all do our part for the planet.
I unplugged a row of electric cars that nobody was using.
Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Gunzi] #1410423
11/02/2013 22:48
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Been a bit blase about power figures over the last couple of years and i must admit those are stonking HP figures at such low boost levels, on Heartbreaker also.

I miss my 2.4 even more now! cry

Maybe its time to make a come back, bigger and badder? laugh cool

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1410444
12/02/2013 07:47
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Quote:



Originally Posted By: Flea

DLT mentioned the AFRs and ECUs, so I have compiled a few graphs of Barbz's car as it has been on Surrey RR more than any other.

This is Barbz's last Surrey RR graph with the 2.4 before his engine spun number three big end bearing. Same turbo as the current 2 litre setup with 1.45bar, mapped by me on the factory Bosch ECU.



If we overlay the torque and BHP curves we can see the difference between the old and new set-ups.



As for the air fuel ratios, well over the last couple of years I have mapped Barbz's car on a few different setups and turbos, all of which have been on Surrey RR's dyno.

Jan 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar


March 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar


May 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar


December 2011 - GTX3076R turbo @ 1.45bar





All runs were done in 3rd gear also.
Did do May's run in 4th to see what the fuss was all about, crazy so i left it in 3rd thumb

Fueling also becomes richer in the higher gears especially on the road, 4th gear onwards.

Last edited by Barbz; 12/02/2013 07:47.
Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1410856
14/02/2013 09:32
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Quote:
Now you know i mean S8 and NOT S80


Oh yes i do wink.

Excellent bit of kit thumb

Will be doing some stuff with this in March. cool.

Nissan GTR R35 application is AWESOME. evil

Last edited by Barbz; 14/02/2013 09:33.
Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1413595
01/03/2013 08:23
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Originally Posted By: Biggenz
My mate Emmanuel with his Coupe made

395bhp 320lbft @ 1.6bar.

This must be the record for a car with stock internals!


Do you remember how many wheel HP & wheel lbft it did?


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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1420665
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Chaps,

I spoke with Phil Ward recently and he assured me he is going to run with the Rolling Road day. He said the format will be a supplement of a feature on his own 20VT and will focus on Barbz, Peros and Jacks cars.

He wants a short piece from the three of you listing all your mods and a brief history about the car, when you bought it, what it's like to drive, how long you've had it etc.

I'll be sending the three of you a PM with this request as well to be sure you read it!

He was hoping to go to print before Brooklands, but said that may not happen.

Chris

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1420793
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Absolutely amazing news, Chris! woohoo
I have just replied to your PM with my story and am looking forward to reading the article smile

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1427115
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I have had an Email from Phil at Auto Italia today telling me the 4 page feature will run in the July issue of AI out on 6th June. It will feature his Coupe as well as Barbz, Pero and Jack's.

Eyes peeled on the 6th June!

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