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#1609452 - 12/10/2017 12:14 Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members
Carlscott Offline
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Registered: 08/01/2014
Posts: 532
Loc: Rugby, Warwickshire
Hi all

To cut a long story short my 2yr old son has been diagnosed with a particularly rare disease called Langerhans cell histiocytosis (LCH) which is very similar to cancer but not classed as one

I'm doing a charity climb up mount kilimanjaro in 2019 and the 3 peaks challenge next year to raise money and awareness of the charity's that have been so helpful to us during this difficult time

Apart from getting my fitness and endurance up, I have no idea about hiking or mountain climbing but am fully aware I need quite a lot of kit including good hiking boots and breathable layers of clothing

Has anyone got experience in this department? Obviously I've googled what's on the market but first hand experience is really what I'm after

Thanks in advance
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#1609463 - 12/10/2017 15:04 Re: Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members [Re: Carlscott]
Gripped Offline
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Registered: 20/12/2005
Posts: 3017
Loc: S. Wales. Way beyond my means
Firstly, sorry to hear of your son's illness. I hope things improve for him.

I've not been up Kilimanjaro, but I know it's high enough for altitude sickness. Definitely a good challenge.

I have done stuff in the Alps and Lakes / Scotland etc though. So,

Boots - sounds obvious, but fit is the main consideration. Lots of good makes on the market... Scarpa being one of the best and popular, others like Meindl, Asolo, Brasher,Salomon, etc. For walking in the UK, you'd want 2 - 3 season boots. 4 season will be too stiff unless you want to wear crampons. Either go for full grain leather (which is thick enough to be almost waterproof, or thinner leather (or fabric) with goretex type membrane. You also want Vibram soles, although Salomon and other use their own.

If you buy boots, it's worth breaking them in a bit. Modern boots don't need much, but you don't want to find you get blisters in the middle of the 3 peaks.

Socks. Get some good walking socks. I've always worn 2 layers. Thin socks and then walking socks to prevent blisters, but it's personal preference.

Coat: You want a waterproof, breathable jacket. Go for something with a membrane like Goretex, eVent etc. The ones without (i.e. a treated surface) tend to lose their water proofing after a while. You can pay anything between around £85 - £300. Generally, around £100 - £150 would be good. I'm a fan of Mountain Equipment, Montane, Berghaus. But plenty of other good brands.

Waterproof trousers also important for rain. You can get ex-army goretex (camouflage) for about £30. The "proper" walking ones are expensive.

Mid layer. Some kind of fleece (polyester). Although a wool jumper works just as well (actually warmer).

Base layer. A "wicking" layer, not cotton, that takes the sweat away and stops you getting cold when you stop. Plenty of choice of these. Most running tops are wicking.

Walking trousers. Can get with zip-off legs. Fast drying.

Hat - keep your ears warm. 30% of body heat lost through your head.

Gloves. On the tops of mountains, with wind chill, you will find gloves are important.

Neck tube e.g. buff. Handy for keeping the draughts out and multi purpose.

Rucksack. For day walking, then up to 30 Litres capacity should be fine.

Compass and map. Definitely worth getting someone to show you how to set and follow bearings on a map. Can be a life saver.

Water bottle etc. You can get bladder type containers too e.g. platypus / camelback.

Basic small first aid kit.

Head torch e.g. Petzl. Very useful if you get caught out by fading light.

Alpkit go good value kit. I'm not linked to them, I just have some of their kit.

https://www.alpkit.com/




Edited by Gripped (12/10/2017 15:09)
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#1609467 - 12/10/2017 16:21 Re: Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members [Re: Carlscott]
Carlscott Offline
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Registered: 08/01/2014
Posts: 532
Loc: Rugby, Warwickshire
Brilliant, thank you very much for such an informative reply!

I have heard about breaking in your boots, plenty of woodlands around us so I shall get them sorted first!

Does a higher price necessarily mean better quality?
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#1609468 - 12/10/2017 16:28 Re: Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members [Re: Carlscott]
MeanRedSpider Offline
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Registered: 25/03/2006
Posts: 8542
Loc: Cambridge & Cotswolds
Most importantly, good luck with your son. These things are very tough.

Can’t add a lot to what Gripped has written. I used to do a lot in the Scottish Highlands and a couple of extra bits I’d take are mostly for when things go wrong: I think they’re called survival bags but it’s effectively an oversized rubble sack that you climb into when things go wrong and they keep the worst of the weather out. I’d also take a space/foil blanket for the same reason. Both cheap.

Always take two pairs/sets of socks. Again, in the Highlands we often wore gaiters to help keep the feet dry.

Finally, more than most people, I appreciate the feeling that you need to DO something in these circumstances. After Eve was diagnosed with leukaemia in January, I was planning an attempt on 6 times up Ventoux by bike in a day. But Eve, amongst others, talked me out of it. Being there for everyone is the most important thing.
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#1609470 - 12/10/2017 16:45 Re: Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members [Re: Carlscott]
Gripped Offline
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Registered: 20/12/2005
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Loc: S. Wales. Way beyond my means
Ah yes, the good old bright orange survival bag. Also doubles up as an impromptu sledge in winter !

Definitely worth having for emergencies.

As for price, yes generally you get what you pay for. But I personally hate paying full price for anything. However, the £300 jackets tend to be more "technical" for proper expeditions and have lots of features which you might not need. Depends on your budget of course.

I look for end of season deals etc. You can get really good goretex jackets for under £100 if you search around.

For example Mammut are a very good brand (Swiss). I'm quite tempted myself...
http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/mammut-mens-dammastock-hs-hooded-jacket-p409088

This new Jacket by Alpkit looks good too for the money.
https://www.alpkit.com/products/argonaut-mens

Or if money is not an issue...
https://www.alpkit.com/products/definition-mens

Another popular place:
https://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/





Edited by Gripped (12/10/2017 16:48)
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#1609472 - 12/10/2017 17:16 Re: Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members [Re: Carlscott]
Hyperlink Offline
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Registered: 28/06/2006
Posts: 5224
Loc: Watford, Herts.
Good luck with the endeavour and of course wishing your son all the best.

The three peaks challenge has a list of equipment which would be an obvious start point.

Before investing too much check with the organisers of Kilimanjaro trip to see what they provide and what the don't - I would expect them to provide a comprehensive kit list - but also they will likely have discounts or offers from supporting shops etc.

BTW the heat loss through the head is a myth. You still need a hat though.



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#1609474 - 12/10/2017 17:56 Re: Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members [Re: MeanRedSpider]
Carlscott Offline
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Registered: 08/01/2014
Posts: 532
Loc: Rugby, Warwickshire
Originally Posted By MeanRedSpider
Being there for everyone is the most important thing.


Absolutely agree with, 2019 is the date for kilimanjaro and this will only go ahead providing his treatment is going as planned.

I hope Eve is responding well to treatment and gets well soon, I believe LCH is very similar to leukemia
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#1609475 - 12/10/2017 18:08 Re: Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members [Re: Carlscott]
Carlscott Offline
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Registered: 08/01/2014
Posts: 532
Loc: Rugby, Warwickshire
Thank you everyone for your input and well wishes.

I am in touch with a UK operator and guide who have so far been brilliant with information, kit lists, which route to take, when to go etc etc.

Amongst other means of raising money I will be setting up a go fund me page in the near future if anyone would be interested in donating a pound or two.

Thanks again!
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#1609494 - 12/10/2017 23:01 Re: Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members [Re: Carlscott]
Theresa Offline
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Registered: 04/06/2006
Posts: 22716
Loc: North Wales
I have no idea on what you might need, so can only offer my best wishes and good luck wih everything cool

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#1609498 - 12/10/2017 23:45 Re: Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members [Re: Carlscott]
robcal Offline
Club member 1573
Making a profit

Registered: 21/06/2009
Posts: 296
Loc: Benfleet, Essex

I'd add to previous posts, but they're pretty much spot on. Key things are the boots - 4 season boots won't be comfy. I've owned countless pairs now, but would never go without my brashers - they're like slippers, just with she'd loads of support and grip.

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#1609539 - 13/10/2017 23:31 Re: Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members [Re: Carlscott]
Jef_uk Offline
I need some sleep

Registered: 26/05/2008
Posts: 2742
Loc: watching the watchers
Hi My lal sister is ex BMC and has a lal one.
If you would like a chat or help planing I can put you in touch. She spends a lot of time walking and hiking but is a respected mountaineer.
http://katyforrester.com/
She is a ( or was if shes not kept it fully up-to date) qualified as in instructor for things far more extreme than what you are looking to do.
She may be able to put you in contact with some of her sponsors, but I cannot promise anything.
PM me and I will send you my email.

Originally Posted By Katy

On rock I’ve managed to onsight E5, head point E7, boulder 7b, route climb 7c+. On axes I’ve lead V5 and M9.
I’ve competed internationally for great britain in ice climbing and was part of the bouldering squad too.
I also coach too through Adventure Hunter, some headgame and movement stuff. If you are interested give me a shout or see
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#1609612 - 15/10/2017 00:41 Re: Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members [Re: Carlscott]
AnnieMac Offline
Club member 1580
Enjoying the ride

Registered: 15/04/2013
Posts: 1009
Loc: Berkshire
My late husband was a keen hill-walker and he always took a stick, just one, but a really long one like a shepherd's crook. His father almost died when falling into a bog with a dead deer on his back, so Iain took a stick everywhere for testing the ground if it looked boggy. A stick is so useful in many ways, such as when wading or to steady you when taking a leap. Also he always packed a survival bag and a little solid fuel stove, and a whistle.

I do hope things will improve for your little one Carl. Thinking of you all. xx
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#1610333 - 23/10/2017 10:44 Re: Any experienced hiking/mountain climbing members [Re: Carlscott]
Carlscott Offline
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Registered: 08/01/2014
Posts: 532
Loc: Rugby, Warwickshire
Hi guys

Just a little update.

I bought some boots Hi-tec altitude V (they came recommended) at only £50 reduced from £75 for a starter boot, I am so far very impressed with how lightweight and comfortable they are.

Slowly breaking them in, I've worn them to work for a few days as well as putting a several miles in walking over fields, up hills etc etc

Snowdon next Sunday morning so we will get a good idea of what's to come. Weather permitted we will also try and tackle Nevis in early November or most likely in the new year

Ive now set up a Facebook page for people to read a little on Albies journey so far and so people can follow our progress. "Kili Climb For Albie" if anyone can just have a look, like and share it really can make a difference!

Thanks guys!
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