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#1612202 - 26/11/2017 20:58 Dead battery
Gripped Offline
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Registered: 20/12/2005
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I find it odd that batteries can just go "dead" without warning. But I guess the recent cold weather has just killed it off.

The voltage is so low, my charger refuses to charge it.. Was under 4V. It's been on it since before I got in in 2013 so it's done ok.

Off to Halfords with my Trade card tomorrow.

Any recommendations for crank power and Amp hour ratings? Was thinking ~60 Amp hour. Currently 55 on it.
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#1612225 - 27/11/2017 09:32 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
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Registered: 17/12/2005
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Loc: Hemel in the Hempstead
You may find your local motor shop will do you a better deal than Halfords: at least some coupe batteries don't get the trade card discount.
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#1612282 - 28/11/2017 00:19 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
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The Coupe lives once more...

I did check out some other sellers, but the Trade Card came up trumps again. Yuasa HSB013 62Ah 5year warranty battery for £84. Was £117, but sale price of £105 then trade card did the rest with 20% extra.

Chuffed smile


Edited by Gripped (28/11/2017 00:23)
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#1612372 - 29/11/2017 09:41 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
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Possible disaster.

When I installed the batt, I checked the voltage with a multi-meter, and it showed 14volts, so the alternator was putting at least 2 volts into the battery. All good I thought.

Drove to work today, and the dashboard volt gauge showed 12.5V and when driving it dropped to about 8 volts shocked
I did have the heated window on first, but switched it off before this happened.

Then it came back up to 12 volts.

I'm wondering if there is a fault with the charging system ?? I've concerned that I won't be able to get home from work at this rate.

Any ideas?
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#1612376 - 29/11/2017 10:48 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
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Failing alternator by the sound of it Toby, but I wouldn't believe the dash volt meter so test the voltage on the alternator itself and then the battery and compare the reading.
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#1612379 - 29/11/2017 11:48 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
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Thanks Joe.

The alternator was definitely adding power, but perhaps it is intermittent, or the reg/rectifier is not working properly. Or a bad earth?

Yes, the dash volt meter has never shown much more than 12.5volts, even though the battery was at 14v. So I assume it is not accurate. Even so, I was rather concerned when it dropped. I've got a mate at work with a multi meter hopefully, so will check it again before I leave.
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#1612381 - 29/11/2017 13:30 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
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Did you get the battery light?

Was it on when you put the ignition on but before starting the engine?

If not, it's possible (likely) that either it has failed, or the alternator thin wire is broken or detached - the light is in series with that wire and without it the alternator won't alternate.

Note that if the bulb is dead, it is of higher rating (don't recall the value) than the other dash bulbs. You need the right one.
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#1612455 - 01/12/2017 13:14 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
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Hey Mr B. No battery light, just the drop in the voltage needle on the dash. I may just be paranoid, but with Fiat Coupes, just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean there isn't a problem !!

The multi meter is showing 14.11v with no load, then about 13.8v with all the lights etc on, which I think is ok. I've youtubed a few more checks I can do, like losses from alternator and checking for resistance at various points. I just want to be sure I don't ruin a new battery.

I'm also told that testing in cold weather is not ideal.

Cheers
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#1612461 - 01/12/2017 13:42 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
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That's where it should be, Toby.

You're doing better than me; my alternator is definitely dead and stranded Anita in a car park this week. And guess what? No such animal...
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#1612469 - 01/12/2017 15:46 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
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Registered: 16/08/2007
Posts: 754
Loc: Germany
Something like these Neil:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/LICHTMASCHINE-GENERATOR-90A-SPANNUNG-12V-LANCIA-DEDRA-FIAT-COUPE-TEMPRA-NEU/362154358562?fits=Make%3AFiat%7CModel%3ACoupe&hash=item545214f722:g:kbYAAOSw1WJZFczX#vi-ilComp

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fiat-Coupe-2-0-16V-93-96-Lichtmaschine-90Ampere-14Volt/321859614075?fits=Make%3AFiat%7CModel%3ACoupe&hash=item4af053f57b:g:S9QAAOSw4SlV8BAH


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#1612491 - 01/12/2017 21:54 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
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Both possibilities, thanks, Neil. I'm in Germany at the end of the month for a couple of weeks so they might be a possibility. Meanwhile, I have a couple of calls in with rebuilders.
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#1612548 - 03/12/2017 19:44 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
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Sorted: turns out that Sahib's < www.sahib.com > come up trumps again. Not one but two on the shelf (and my old one, with an intermittent break on the rotor coils causing sparks that killed the regulator) will be rebuilt.


Edited by barnacle (03/12/2017 19:45)
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#1612551 - 03/12/2017 20:10 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
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Good news then Neil.

MMMM. My investigations have shown that when under heavy load (rear window heater, lights, fog lights, fan) the current is dropping to around 12 volts, so either the alternator or regulator (or both) is struggling.

On an average day, with just lights on etc, I should be ok, as I'm getting 13.5 - 14.2 volts, but I think I'd better get it checked out.


Edited by Gripped (03/12/2017 20:11)
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#1612800 - 09/12/2017 11:45 Re: Dead battery [Re: Gripped]
Gripped Offline
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Garage confirmed alternator was struggling, so replaced it. Not bad for nearly 100k miles and 17years.

Might also cure a squeal on cold start.
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