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#1548559 - 06/09/2015 09:27 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: H_R]
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Earlier this year had my air-con fixed by a local and long term Air-Con "doctor" as it had an electrical problem. Following treatment, it was the best ever in over 10 years of ownership.

Now back at the "doctors" as it had 'dropped' its gas. Yes, we have a serious leak which is a corroded pipe from the firewall to the filter. The pipe appears to be steel, not alloy, so after 20 years it has leaked. Speaking to the shop on Friday, they were leaving penetrating oil on the nut over the weekend, so, hopefully tomorrow, it will undo and can then be replaced.

Got to fix it as it is now Spring and the weather is certainly starting to warm up with days already in the mid 20s.
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#1548592 - 06/09/2015 19:12 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Makes me laugh the differences between countries! Mines never worked since I have owned it and i have only had a few days where it's been unbearable in 3 years but for you guys it's essential!
Hope you get it sorted!

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#1548610 - 06/09/2015 22:03 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Air con is permanently on in all my cars, all year round.

Doesn't have to be hot to be useful.
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#1548649 - 07/09/2015 11:27 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: 124coupe]
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Originally Posted By: 124coupe
Air con is permanently on in all my cars, all year round.

Doesn't have to be hot to be useful.


Ahh but you location is "down south" it's always hotter down south! biglaugh

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#1551741 - 06/10/2015 18:25 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Ok correct condenser turned up today that's assuming the dimensions are correct not compared next to old unit yet, but I'm sure it's correct!

Parallel type part number NRF 35185
Comes with a fiat group sticker on the top don't know if this is to identify it in the factory or if NRF made these for fiat/Alfa Romeo! So possibly an original item?

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Hope the info is of some use to someone smile

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#1552010 - 09/10/2015 17:20 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Great find. Where did you buy that from. I have tried to find the parallel type and gave up.
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#1552014 - 09/10/2015 18:21 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Hi this is where i got it from buycarparts.co.uk

This was the logo of the company

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this is what i ordered NRF 35185 but its not coming up when searching for the part for a Fiat coupe but does for an Alfa romeo 145, although if you look in suitable Vehicles it does list a Fiat Coupe 20vt!

This i think may be the place to order it from for France but please double check French site linked from co.uk but check its correct
May be cheaper places for french delivery so check first was also available on ebay uk

The part came from Germany and they would ring to confirm the order! which seemed a bit strange but it is all legit!
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#1552061 - 10/10/2015 10:03 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Thanks for the link. I will give them a try.
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#1553781 - 28/10/2015 14:02 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Just to confirm the drier Graham linked to is the correct part, identical to the original.
I also found another source for the illusive parallel type condenser although when searching by reg for a 20VT it brings up the earlier 16V type with the tails. Searching by OE number 60630383 brings up the correct part:
http://www.mister-auto.co.uk/en/condenser/bolk-bol-c0217025_g448_a999BOL-C0217025.html

Although it was out of stock so they sent me this:
http://www.mister-auto.co.uk/en/condenser/frigair-0813-2002_g448_a3130813.2002.html

Which now happens to be out of stock too but who knows it might become available again.

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#1553787 - 28/10/2015 15:29 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Hi have a read above the last condenser you linked to may be the same one I originally purchased which was wrong nothing like the picture
first incorrect purchase

My second attempt was this, but no longer made any more

My third and successful attempt is in previous post and the thing they all had in common apart from being the dearer ones is the depth is around 16mm where the old serpentine type were all around 25mm
Hope that may save you some hassle and time

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#1553795 - 28/10/2015 18:40 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Hi, sorry I wasn't being very clear (too busy trying to copy and paste on a smart phone)!

I ordered the Frigair Condenser in the second link from mister-auto.co.uk and the exact part pictured arrived which is identical to the OE part and went on a treat.

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#1553797 - 28/10/2015 19:14 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: Deano]
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Oh Cool wink

I ordered one with that picture and that part number and it was an old serpentine type! wonder if they made a mistake? it was cheap too about £50 as opposed to the £110 i paid for the correct one
glad it worked out ok, i hate the hassle of returning stuff!
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#1553816 - 28/10/2015 20:58 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Yea me too, luckily it was right, mister auto are based in France or Belgium!

Hopefully this helps someone in the future even if mister auto don't get any more in stock.

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#1609234 - 09/10/2017 14:12 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Has anyone ordered a 20vt parallel type aircon condenser lately and can confirm a supplier or part number?

Tested my aircon today and almost zero pressure. Checked the usual leak spots and couldn't see anything so had a look at the condenser itself and found this through the front grille with the UV light:

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and it's only a few years old and car has only done about 5K miles since it was fitted.

The serpentine style condenser didn't seem as good as the original parallel type anyway so hoping to source a parallel one this time if one can be found for under £100.

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#1609235 - 09/10/2017 14:21 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: H_R]
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Originally Posted By H_R
Ok correct condenser turned up today that's assuming the dimensions are correct not compared next to old unit yet, but I'm sure it's correct!

Parallel type part number NRF 35185
Comes with a fiat group sticker on the top don't know if this is to identify it in the factory or if NRF made these for fiat/Alfa Romeo! So possibly an original item?

click to enlarge

click to enlarge

click to enlarge

Hope the info is of some use to someone smile

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#1609236 - 09/10/2017 14:23 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: H_R]
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Originally Posted By H_R
Hi this is where i got it from buycarparts.co.uk

This was the logo of the company

click to enlarge
this is what i ordered NRF 35185 but its not coming up when searching for the part for a Fiat coupe but does for an Alfa romeo 145, although if you look in suitable Vehicles it does list a Fiat Coupe 20vt!

This i think may be the place to order it from for France but please double check French site linked from co.uk but check its correct
May be cheaper places for french delivery so check first was also available on ebay uk

The part came from Germany and they would ring to confirm the order! which seemed a bit strange but it is all legit!
cheers

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#1609237 - 09/10/2017 14:23 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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A couple of years ago and I cannot remember the price sorry!

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#1609251 - 09/10/2017 17:09 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Thanks, managed to find one on ebay (shipped direct from NRF in the Netherlands) at £121 , seems the NRF 35185 is the only option for the parallel pass type other than the geniune Fiat part which is showing as £579 on Eper!

As you said, the secret seems to be checking the depth is 16mm for the parallel type rather than 24/25mm for the serpentine design.

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#1609253 - 09/10/2017 17:47 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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And just to confirm the original point of the thread since I ordered another one when re-gassing the aircon a few weeks back, the Hella "8FT 351 197-151" dryer is perfect for the 20vt and only about £13 on ebay.

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#1610617 - 27/10/2017 14:13 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: H_R]
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Originally Posted By H_R
A couple of years ago and I cannot remember the price sorry!


Did you find that NRF condenser worked OK in the coupe?

I fitted the NRF condenser last night and just took car for a re-gas at Kwik Fit. Leak test was fine and it took the full charge of gas OK.

The compressor engages OK with the button but the air temp isn't really dropping at all. The Kwik Fit guy tested it with a thermometer and agreed it wasn't working so didn't charge me anything at least.

The gas is definitely still in the system as the compressor is engaging and I checked the pressure with a manual gauge and it was perfect.

It was all working fine until the leak in the old condenser caused the compressor not to engage due to low pressure, so not sure what to make of it.

Has anyone else fitted this NRF condenser with good results? If it physically fits OK and doesn't leak can there be anything "wrong" with it?

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#1610622 - 27/10/2017 17:51 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Hi Graham, difficult to say really, when it was first gassed it was september 2017 and if i remember right not that warm
It did feel cold and make the cabin cooler, i also eventually got condensation on the outside of the windshield when on windshield setting
I also fitted a brand new drier the day before it was filled (said Toyota on the box dont know if thats who made it or if it was for a toyota)

Since then the compressor still engages and it does feel cold, but i have only done a few miles in it since, so not really properly tested it like on a long journey

Do you know the amount of gas they used? as i do remember reading lots of conflicting weights and seem to recall JBT saying it was a bit more than what Fiat state in the manual (don't know what was put in mine)

On the whole i would say, yes its fine, it does lower the temperature ok, i guess the hotter it is the more noticeable it is and the pipes to the condenser were very hot suggesting a good heat exchange?

I used a company called Bee Cool air conditioning services (not sure if they were a chain) price was £35+vat and that was their core business so probably know a bit more about them than Kwick fit! not knocking Kwikfit as they do my MOT but they may not be as familiar with AC in general

I know thats probably not answered your question but hopefully it helps
Best of luck sorting it

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#1610633 - 27/10/2017 22:47 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Interesting, thanks.

I'm pretty sure it was gassed correctly as I watched them select "Fiat coupe 2.0 20v Turbo" on their air-con system when it was connected up to the car, as I always do. Checking the pressure with the manual gauge on the low pressure side it's showing just the same good charge level that it always does when it's been re-charged and worked OK before.

So it seems there's either something wrong internally with this condenser or some other problem has coincidentally appeared in the last month since it was last working OK.

I'll try changing the pressure sensor with a spare, I think that's about all I can do without de-pressuring the system.

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#1610642 - 28/10/2017 06:35 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Do you know what gas they used?
I think there is a New NEW gas on the market that's even less efficient than the previous replacement!

For what its worth my company vehicle is a Mitsubishi Outlander 2013 model and the air con on that is useless, (the 2008 model i had was brilliant!), sent it back a few times and they keep saying its fine!
I also believe they stop doing anything below 16 degrees internal temp so possibly wont notice much difference (not sure if our Coupes are the same)

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#1620276 - 10/05/2018 18:55 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Hi just about to buy some parts can I confirm that this part https://m.buycarparts.co.uk/nrf/2388545 is the correct condenser and Hella 8ft 351 197-151 dryer on eBay at £16.70 is the correct Dryer? eBay says it doesn’t fit but others say it does!
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#1620279 - 10/05/2018 19:31 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Yes, the NRF 35185 is the correct condenser and the Hella 8ft 351 197-151 is the correct dryer.

The link for the condenser seems very cheap so may be worth confirming with them that it's definitely a genuine NRF 35185 they'll be sending and not an "equivalent" part.

Also, to finish the tale above the problem with my system after the re-gas at Kwik Fit was that not enough gas had been accepted into the system due to the engine + compressor being switched off while trying to re-gas it.

Over the years Kwik Fit have always carried out the re-gas with the engine/compressor switched off and it's always been fine, but for some reason on that occasion even though it was showing the correct pressure with the compressor off as soon as it was turned on the pressure dropped a lot and was below the minimum required to cool correctly.

I topped it up a bit with a DIY re-gas bottle from Halfords while the compressor was running and it's been fine ever since and still has good pressure now, 6 months later.

Strangely even the instructions on the DIY bottle have now changed... for years it always said to top up while the compressor was switched off, but on that latest one it says to top up while the compressor is running.

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#1620280 - 10/05/2018 20:02 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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I thought you paid £120 for the condenser this is discounted but I will email them. I’ll order this evening and email them to confirm it is a genuine part and not a copy they will be sending! Where did you get yours?
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#1620304 - 11/05/2018 11:16 Re: Source for 20v Air con drier? [Re: GrahamL]
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Yes, it was just over £120 I paid from an ebay seller when all other suppliers were at least £180 for the same part and so I confirmed it was the genuine NRF condenser with the supplier before ordering too. This one is only £91 which is down at the price of the inferior serpentine style, so it's worth checking just to be sure.

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