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#1619640 - 29/04/2018 19:45 Sudden loud clunking o/s/f
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Last Sunday coop had a spin for about 25 mins, all fine.

Today after a week's immobility, pulling away from the kerb resulted in several (3 or 4) loud metal-on-metal clunking noises, and continued to do so every time the lock was alternated.

The top mounts were done about 3/4 years ago but that was more of a creaking - this is rather more alarming.

Haven't got pics just yet but initial photos show an apparent equality of set up between o/s and n/s, no obvious kinks in TRE's.

Also odd it passed the MOT a fortnight ago....

Will try and get a video....

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#1619643 - 29/04/2018 19:54 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Broken spring? Had very similar symptoms on my van recently - spring broke whilst standing overnight. Apparently they often die in their sleep shocked

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#1619645 - 29/04/2018 20:08 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: wink]
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That sounds interesting, hadn't thought of that.

If this is the case is it advisable to have both sides replaced at the same time?
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#1619646 - 29/04/2018 20:15 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Also the noise wasn't evident while driving in a straight line.

Although speeds were no more than 20 mph, if that....
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#1619647 - 29/04/2018 20:19 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Loose wheel bolts, broken spring, dodgy CV joint or drop link?

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#1619648 - 29/04/2018 20:27 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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If it is the spring, change both. Otherwise it'll be a couple of inches lower on one side - they do compress with age.

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#1619651 - 29/04/2018 20:59 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Underarch o/s


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Pictures courtesy of dante giacosa thumb


Edited by Edinburgh (29/04/2018 22:21)
Edit Reason: acknowledgement
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#1619653 - 29/04/2018 21:07 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Was looking at the first pic thinking "something really isn't right here" until I realised it was upside down. smile

Nothing looks amiss other than that the little cover for the wishbone balljoint at the brake disc is missing, but that's not a major issue. And brake disc doesn't look great on the inside.

Can't see the spring though , so could be that or the CV joint is dodgy inside. Did you check the wheel bolts were tight?


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#1619662 - 29/04/2018 22:05 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: GrahamL]
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Originally Posted By GrahamL
Was looking at the first pic thinking "something really isn't right here" until I realised it was upside down. smile



Did you check the wheel bolts were tight?



Sorry, forgot to mention the upside-down bit!

Will check bolts tomorrow although I would find it hard to imagine why they would come loose all of a sudden.
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#1619663 - 29/04/2018 22:13 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Easy to check your springs while your there also. It's normally the bottom coil or so that breaks on a spring. It won't be obvious, initially, until you feel where the bottom coil of the spring ends. If it's broken it won't butt against the notch on the spring seat.

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#1619664 - 29/04/2018 22:18 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: szkom]
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Originally Posted By szkom
Easy to check your springs while your there also. It's normally the bottom coil or so that breaks on a spring. It won't be obvious, initially, until you feel where the bottom coil of the spring ends. If it's broken it won't butt against the notch on the spring seat.


Thanks szkom thumb
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#1619671 - 30/04/2018 06:32 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Simon, If its not broken springs then your symptoms sound alot like binding springs when the top mount bearings aren't rotating smoothly. This usually happens at full lock and the clunking sound is when the coil springs back into position.

I know you mentioned that they were replaced 3-4 years ago but worth checking them again. The top mount plates could be ok but the bearings are the ones that are seized. The bearings are easy enough to refurb (clean and regrease).
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#1619675 - 30/04/2018 09:11 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Kelv27]
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Cheers Kelv, on the list to check... smile


My only trusted garage is 25 miles away but there is an "emergency" place only a half-mile down the road.

How wise/dangerous would it be to attempt to drive it this relatively short distance if it were a broken spring....could something really drastic happen?
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#1619677 - 30/04/2018 09:30 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Perhaps you could check if its the springs that are indeed broken by jacking up the car first?
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#1619678 - 30/04/2018 09:40 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Kelv27]
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Fair comment....I've just had an op for kidney removal so I'm not really even on light duties yet but I'll see if I can enlist the help of a trusty colleague smile
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#1619679 - 30/04/2018 09:45 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Oh dear, not a good idea to be doing any form of laborious work then! Get well soon Simon.
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#1619753 - 01/05/2018 13:54 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Update -

The spring is definitely u/s and what's more has damaged the top mount frown

4x Bilsteins and 1x top mount +coil bearing kit later...... frown
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#1619754 - 01/05/2018 14:17 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Do let others graft so you're not risking the wound, get well soon thumb

Btw did you mean Eibachs by chance chinny
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#1619755 - 01/05/2018 14:20 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Countrycruising]
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Originally Posted By Countrycruising


Btw did you mean Eibachs by chance chinny


yes

It's the bloody meds.....(that's my story) laugh
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#1619769 - 01/05/2018 17:54 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Originally Posted By Edinburgh
Update -

The spring is definitely u/s and what's more has damaged the top mount frown

4x Bilsteins and 1x top mount +coil bearing kit later...... frown

Might I suggest you do both top mount kits while the springs are off. It'll help the car sit even once rebuilt

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#1619770 - 01/05/2018 18:02 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: szkom]
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Originally Posted By szkom
Originally Posted By Edinburgh
Update -

The spring is definitely u/s and what's more has damaged the top mount frown

4x Bilsteins Eibachs and 1x top mount +coil bearing kit later...... frown

Might I suggest you do both top mount kits while the springs are off. It'll help the car sit even once rebuilt




chinny......
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#1620357 - 12/05/2018 12:56 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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At last the Eibachs came through from Germany, so with the 2 new front 30mm lowering springs to match the rears along with two new top mounts (thank you szkom) it's running nice and tight again, firm but not crashy.

I'm also just back into driving again yesterday after the op so along with today's sunshine it's great to be flying the Bee again even if just for the weekly shop laugh driving

It means I have two spare rear springs.....
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#1620364 - 12/05/2018 18:15 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: Edinburgh]
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Get the new rear springs on if you can. I think you'll be amazed at the difference in ride.

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#1620365 - 12/05/2018 18:23 Re: Sudden loud creaking o/s/f [Re: szkom]
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Originally Posted By szkom
Get the new rear springs on if you can. I think you'll be amazed at the difference in ride.


chinny !
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