Fiat Coupe Forum
- Founded by Kayjey & James Northam
- Funded by the Club for the benefit of all owners
Fiat Coupe Club UK
join the club
Fiat Coupe Forum
 
» Announced
    Posting images


» Related sites
    Main club site
    fiatcoupe.net


» External data
    owners listed
 
Who's Online Now
1 registered members (Vinnytgm), 20 guests, and 2 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics109,836
Posts1,304,909
Members2,793
Most Online546
Aug 30th, 2007
Top Posters(All Time)
barnacle 32,144
stan 32,098
Theresa 22,825
bockers 21,009
PeteP 19,072
JimO 17,908
Nigel 17,082
Jim_Clennell 16,322
Vickster 15,915
RSS Feeds
Club Events
Club Information
Track Events
Rolling Road/RWYB
Social Events
Non-UK Events
Coupé Related Chat
Coupé Spotting
Coupé News/Press
Buying/Selling Advice
Insuring a Coupé
Basic FAQ's
How to Guides
Forum Issues
Technical Problems
General Maintenance
Styling
Tuning
Handling
ICE and Alarm
Coupés for Sale
Coupés Wanted
Parts for Sale
Parts Wanted
Group Buys
Business Forum
Other Vehicles for Sale/Wanted
Other Items for Sale/Wanted
Haggling/Offers
Ebay links
Other Cars
Other Websites
General Chat
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Cause belt breakage #1627520
03/12/2018 17:02
03/12/2018 17:02
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
carmine Offline OP
Reaping the fruits
carmine  Offline OP
Reaping the fruits

Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
Hello.
I ask for information to those who had experience with distribution belt failures.
I wanted to know,
breakage of the timing belt is more common, caused by: wear / time / km etc.
Or is it caused more frequently by the service belt, than by breaking itself it coils on the main belt causing it to break?
Thank you.

Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1627526
03/12/2018 18:13
03/12/2018 18:13
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,641
Pothole City
GrahamL Offline
Forum is my job
GrahamL  Offline
Forum is my job

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,641
Pothole City
The 20vt cambelt is pretty strong, it's more common for the aux belt to fail and the remains to get wound around the crank pulley and into the cambelt causing it to fail.

1 or 2 guys did make pulley guards to stop the aux belt failure interfering with the cambelt.

I left my cambelt for 10 years but it had only done about 30K miles. It still looked fine but had stretched to the point of being a little loose, so it really did need changed by that time.

Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1627531
03/12/2018 19:18
03/12/2018 19:18
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 32,144
Hemel in the Hempstead
barnacle Offline
Club Member 18 - Minister without Portfolio
barnacle  Offline
Club Member 18 - Minister without Portfolio
Forum Demigod

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 32,144
Hemel in the Hempstead
For 16v owners, however, the cam belt is a lot more fragile... it's quite happy to break on its own, without troubling the aux belts!



Don't get no respect! Coupe Fiat 1994-2000 - an owner's guide <-- clicky!
Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1627534
03/12/2018 19:52
03/12/2018 19:52
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
carmine Offline OP
Reaping the fruits
carmine  Offline OP
Reaping the fruits

Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
OK understood.
I had seen somewhere, the pulley to protect the cambelt, any of you know where you can buy?
Another question, to change the belts of services and need to move the engine?
Do I have to change everything?
Thank you very much.

Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1627584
04/12/2018 20:01
04/12/2018 20:01
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
carmine Offline OP
Reaping the fruits
carmine  Offline OP
Reaping the fruits

Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
Does anyone know where to find a guard pulley?

Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1627585
04/12/2018 20:09
04/12/2018 20:09
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,641
Pothole City
GrahamL Offline
Forum is my job
GrahamL  Offline
Forum is my job

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,641
Pothole City

Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1627588
04/12/2018 20:17
04/12/2018 20:17
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,249
Kent
Submariner Offline
My job on the forum
Submariner  Offline
My job on the forum

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,249
Kent
I read that on fitting the main belt it has 150% of the strength required and at end of the belt change duration/mileage/cycles it is still at circa 100%. One Coupe mechanic told me he has never seen the main belt go on it's own on the 20v turbo; it is as we know the aux belt/tensioners etc that usually take out the main. I have taken the main belt up to 8+ years and circa 40k+ miles (wouldn't recommend it though) but do the aux belts and tensioners every 3-4 years.

JBT http://www.midlandscarservicing.co.uk/ had a pulley manufactured with a guard I seem to remember.

Traffic light Grand Prix's and banging the car off the limiter are a no-no for the Coupe and it's belts IMO especially so if running big power increases.

Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1627607
05/12/2018 16:48
05/12/2018 16:48
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,748
FCSS 01684 593187
Countrycruising Offline
Club Rep Europe, member 914
Countrycruising  Offline
Club Rep Europe, member 914
I AM a Coop

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,748
FCSS 01684 593187
I have known the pulley guards not to work and still allow an aux belt to jump and be caught by the cam belt, one last year and another big bhp build in Germany so I've copied Flea's design, new batch being made from stainless.

click to enlarge

Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1627624
05/12/2018 21:33
05/12/2018 21:33
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
carmine Offline OP
Reaping the fruits
carmine  Offline OP
Reaping the fruits

Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
thank you all for the answers.

Mr. countrycruising
I would be very interested in the coverage shown in photos, bhp and a user who lives in germany?
can you please give me some other information?
I'd like to have a protection like the one in the picture?
thank you.

Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1627631
06/12/2018 09:11
06/12/2018 09:11
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,748
FCSS 01684 593187
Countrycruising Offline
Club Rep Europe, member 914
Countrycruising  Offline
Club Rep Europe, member 914
I AM a Coop

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,748
FCSS 01684 593187
Originally Posted By carmine
thank you all for the answers.

Mr. countrycruising
I would be very interested in the coverage shown in photos, bhp and a user who lives in germany?
can you please give me some other information?
I'd like to have a protection like the one in the picture?
thank you.


I'll send you a pm after I have received the guards, we can chat further then.

Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1627634
06/12/2018 09:16
06/12/2018 09:16
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 233
Surrey
J
jonnyboy54321 Offline
Club member 1630
jonnyboy54321  Offline
Club member 1630
Making a profit
J

Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 233
Surrey
Joe - you have pm from me ref these

Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1627640
06/12/2018 11:14
06/12/2018 11:14
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
carmine Offline OP
Reaping the fruits
carmine  Offline OP
Reaping the fruits

Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
Thank you,
I will wait willingly.

Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1630767
18/03/2019 11:59
18/03/2019 11:59
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
carmine Offline OP
Reaping the fruits
carmine  Offline OP
Reaping the fruits

Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
Hello everyone.
I apologize in advance for this,
I wanted to contact Mr. Joe with a Pm but I couldn't
(shame). box
I wanted to ask Mr. Joe information about the timing belt guards. bow

Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1630769
18/03/2019 12:39
18/03/2019 12:39
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 32,144
Hemel in the Hempstead
barnacle Offline
Club Member 18 - Minister without Portfolio
barnacle  Offline
Club Member 18 - Minister without Portfolio
Forum Demigod

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 32,144
Hemel in the Hempstead
pm country_cruising.



Don't get no respect! Coupe Fiat 1994-2000 - an owner's guide <-- clicky!
Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1630772
18/03/2019 13:33
18/03/2019 13:33
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 10,585
Auld Reekie
Edinburgh Online content
Club Board member
Edinburgh  Online Content
Club Board member
I AM a Coop

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 10,585
Auld Reekie
Originally Posted by carmine
Hello everyone.
I apologize in advance for this,
I wanted to contact Mr. Joe with a Pm but I couldn't
(shame). box
I wanted to ask Mr. Joe information about the timing belt guards. bow


He's been "away from the office" for several days carmine but should be back very soon if not already...


[Linked Image]

So there, Photobucket...
Re: Cause belt breakage [Re: carmine] #1630778
18/03/2019 15:03
18/03/2019 15:03
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
carmine Offline OP
Reaping the fruits
carmine  Offline OP
Reaping the fruits

Joined: May 2018
Posts: 62
born in Italy I live in German...
Thanks for the reply


Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1
(Release build 20190129)
PHP: 7.3.2 Page Time: 0.018s Queries: 14 (0.008s) Memory: 0.8184 MB (Peak: 0.9438 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2019-05-22 01:48:46 UTC