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More paranoia.Big engine failure #1339477
01/05/2012 23:20
01/05/2012 23:20

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Had this lovely low mileage porto recovered today.Suspected cambelt failure.
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A quick look under the bonnet revealed the cam cover had been pulled away from the block and what looked like the cam pulley.
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closer look revealed this horrifying sight.
Cam hasnt seized,no work on the head or cams has taken place.Belts replaced on time.

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The centre of the pulley has sheared away from the outer.

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Never seen this before and is rather concerning .

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339482
01/05/2012 23:24
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I've been around cars and bikes for many years, but never seen anything like that before. Hopefully it's a one off!

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339486
01/05/2012 23:30
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Never seen anything like it either.

There has to have been some existing damage to the pulley and vibration has finished it.

It would be interesting to see some close ups when you get it off.

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339493
01/05/2012 23:51
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shocked

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339494
01/05/2012 23:51
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Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339507
02/05/2012 00:32
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No completely standard

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339517
02/05/2012 03:03
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I have seen a camwheel shear off the dowel but not break like that. I suspect a foregin object got in there somehow or the camwheel just had a flaw that has finally let go!

Stick on a new one and see what happens!

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339521
02/05/2012 07:40
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I'm pretty sure this happened to sparco on the original engine that was in his car. However many years ago that was now.


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Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339529
02/05/2012 09:17
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This someone off the forum? I seem to remember a post the other day about a twang.....

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339534
02/05/2012 09:30
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is this a prank?

what happened just before that broke?

did he over rev it on a down shift?

HOW???

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339554
02/05/2012 10:34
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Exhaust cam seized in the head?


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Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339555
02/05/2012 10:34
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More importantly Marco, tell us what's happening to your car. laugh

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339562
02/05/2012 11:10
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Originally Posted By: Biggenz
More importantly Marco, tell us what's happening to your car. laugh


Top secret wink

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: Countrycruising] #1339563
02/05/2012 11:11
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Originally Posted By: Countrycruising
Originally Posted By: Biggenz
More importantly Marco, tell us what's happening to your car. laugh


Top secret wink


Is that the same as whats happening with mine?

Ross

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: Countrycruising] #1339567
02/05/2012 11:21
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Originally Posted By: Countrycruising
Originally Posted By: Biggenz
More importantly Marco, tell us what's happening to your car. laugh


Top secret wink


Oi, stop working on Marco's car and get busy on mine - got a show to go to Sunday!


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Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339572
02/05/2012 11:44
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Mine's still at my work... getting it transported to Joe's at the weekend... then we shall go from there!!

Biggenz - stop butting in laugh laugh laugh

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339653
02/05/2012 17:02
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Sadly it's not a prank. I was only doing 20-30mph when it let go. Only had the car 3 months and i'm gutted.

JBT is still investigating the cause and i'm sure he'll be along to update shortly but there have been no foreign objects found so far. It'll be back on the road soon though.

To top it off I also got a parking ticket for leaving it in a bus lane!! I did leave a note in the window explaining why it was there. I don't think i'll bother buying a lottery ticket this week.

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339675
02/05/2012 18:57
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Sorry to hear Mike, I thought I had read a pinging noise thread by someone...

Fingers crossed for minimal damage.

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339705
02/05/2012 21:01
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Marco get a Barbz engine and youll have no more issues.



Nigel,Cam isnt seized,moves freely.
Theres no rotational marks or damage to the pulley other than the obvious.

Used the bore camera today and theres markings on all the inlet valves and the buckets are all down.
Very unlucky.



Also had this in today

Non start.
No cam signal.Great just a sensor.....Not exactly.

Took the covers off and

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belt shredded.All aux belts fine.....

on closer inspection found this.Magnetic piece of metal.
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Looked at the phase sensor,which has half of it missing

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Timings out and knocked all 20 valves.

Never seen this before.I can only assume that the amount of corrosion has caused the inside of the pulley to catch the sensor.




Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339711
02/05/2012 21:20
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Terror.

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339723
02/05/2012 21:48
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so are we saying a badly refit cam cover is the latest paranoia????

It's filling me full of fear already!!

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339750
02/05/2012 23:17
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Originally Posted By: Mike20VT
Sadly it's not a prank. I was only doing 20-30mph when it let go. Only had the car 3 months and i'm gutted.

JBT is still investigating the cause and i'm sure he'll be along to update shortly but there have been no foreign objects found so far. It'll be back on the road soon though.

To top it off I also got a parking ticket for leaving it in a bus lane!! I did leave a note in the window explaining why it was there. I don't think i'll bother buying a lottery ticket this week.


Was this the car I spotted the other night parked outside Dominoes at Banner Cross?

Gutted for you! cry

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: mattB] #1339767
03/05/2012 00:02
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Originally Posted By: mattB
I'm pretty sure this happened to sparco on the original engine that was in his car. However many years ago that was now.


I remember seeing pics of it too,I reckon it must have been around the time I got my Sprinty which was 5 or 6 years ago. I looked through my folders of Coupé related stuff but don't see any pictures although I could have sworn that kept some of it confused .

Baz smile


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Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339827
03/05/2012 10:26
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Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie
so are we saying a badly refit cam cover is the latest paranoia????

It's filling me full of fear already!!


No,the cam cover is in a fixed position, there's no way this would cause it.

Those pulleys are very strong but are also cast which is why its failed in the way it has.
Until its stripped there's no conclusive evidence as to the cause of the failure.
I have known belts wrapped round these and also various failures down the years which have given this pulley a whack and even stripped the teeth off,but as to why its gone i will update when i know more.

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339836
03/05/2012 10:53
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Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339915
03/05/2012 15:48
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I took one of an old head today and put it on the press.With it clamped i then put the force as the belt would exert on it.

After around 150-200kg it shattered into 4 pieces.
Less than a quarter of a tonne caused it to fail.
As it turns out its very weak indeed.
The inlet took over a tonne and stayed intact before my clamp gave way.


Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1339984
03/05/2012 23:01
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It's only cast after all..

Re: More paranoia.Big engine failure [Re: ] #1340325
05/05/2012 09:39
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I once had exactly this happen on another car (1.4 8v renault energy engine) cam wheel went in the same way.





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