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Bigger oil filter. #1455306
26/10/2013 10:20
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Oil system in Italian car is sensible thing and below you can read my opinion, not my recommendation. I just share my experience.......
Almost for 2 years i don't use OE recommended oil filters for my cars, because i prefer better oil filtration. A lot of cheap fakes on the market as well.
I stick with MANN-FILTER W 719/22 - it has 2 anti-drain back valve, and it's bypass valve opening pressure is 2,2bar......most of aftermarket filters opens at 0.8 - 1 bar. It has bigger filter media which allows better flow.
I used it on my trackday 156 V6 engine for 2 years with Yacco Galaxie 15-50 or 10-60, and oil pressure was immediately when i start the engine. Another interesting fact is that if i stall the engine in 1 gear(to keep ignition ON for gauge monitoring) oil pressure drops not that fast than with normal filter.
We did 3 hours endurance race with Fiat Coupe 20VT recently and even with 120 degrees oil temps most of the time, pressure did not drop below 2 bar.
It has same thread as OE - M 20 X 1.5, but it's a little bit higher than normal.
https://www.mann-hummel.com/online-catal...lter/W%20719~22

Did someone have any observation using bigger oil filters?


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Re: Bigger oil filter. [Re: Ferrarist] #1455382
26/10/2013 19:47
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Nice info. Thanks.



Re: Bigger oil filter. [Re: Ferrarist] #1455501
27/10/2013 13:21
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thanks for the info always good to test and improve on what we have. im going to go for a filter set up where i can change the filter element that way i can have a look at the condition of the filter each change.


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Re: Bigger oil filter. [Re: Ferrarist] #1455601
28/10/2013 00:54
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Originally Posted By: Ferrarist

I stick with MANN-FILTER W 719/22 - it has 2 anti-drain back valve, and it's bypass valve opening pressure is 2,2bar......most of aftermarket filters opens at 0.8 - 1


What is the OEM by-pass pressure?

I do not think a higher than OEM by-pass pressure is necessarily a good thing. You are effectively adding a restriction to the oil system pushing the pump closer to a by-pass event, which is much worse than a filter by-pass event.

However increasing the flow capacity of the filter is a good idea and may lessen any risks associated with a higher by-pass pressure.

Re: Bigger oil filter. [Re: Ferrarist] #1455632
28/10/2013 09:44
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I always use Mahle OC 243. Ca 120 mm long. Can't say anything about the filter. It does the job so to say. No problems with oil pressure.


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Re: Bigger oil filter. [Re: Scuderia] #1455696
28/10/2013 16:35
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Originally Posted By: Scuderia


What is the OEM by-pass pressure?

I do not think a higher than OEM by-pass pressure is necessarily a good thing. You are effectively adding a restriction to the oil system pushing the pump closer to a by-pass event, which is much worse than a filter by-pass event.

However increasing the flow capacity of the filter is a good idea and may lessen any risks associated with a higher by-pass pressure.


Most standard filter's by-pass opens at 0.8 - 1.2 bar.....and when it open on cold started engine when pressure is higher a lot of unfiltered oil is bypassed.....


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Re: Bigger oil filter. [Re: Ferrarist] #1455706
28/10/2013 17:25
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I thought an oil filter's bypass valve was based on relative rather than absolute pressure, ie. it opens when the input pressure is more than 0.8 - 1.2 bar above the output pressure, not when the absolute pressue is over 0.8 - 1.2 bar?

In other words, it only bypasses the filter when the filter is overly restrictive or completely blocked, regardless of the actual oil pressue in the car.

Re: Bigger oil filter. [Re: Ferrarist] #1455734
28/10/2013 19:25
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Correct Graham, the bypass is for differential pressure across the filter.

Re: Bigger oil filter. [Re: Ferrarist] #1455794
29/10/2013 05:23
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Quote from one of the best oil related sites available.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=309756


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Re: Bigger oil filter. [Re: Ferrarist] #1455852
29/10/2013 13:07
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That's a good read ferrarist and a shed load of info that il take in later.


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