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Re: Paris
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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13/11/2015 23:56
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Yes very worrying...being described as an unprecedented terrorist attack.
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Re: Paris
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14/11/2015 11:02
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Just hearing that the concert was the Eagles of Death Metal who I really like.. I hope they are all ok.
What the hell can be done about this kind of thing though? Drone strikes are clearly not working. I think you will find Jihadi John may disagree with you on that fact .
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Re: Paris
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14/11/2015 11:42
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I think you will find Jihadi John may disagree with you on that fact .
Do you think that the attacks will stop now one IS scumbag has been killed? I don't. If anything, I'd argue that his perpetual violence upon violence is only escalating the problem.
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Re: Paris
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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14/11/2015 12:22
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I never said one attack would stop anyone thats a very nieve thought . There is nothing that can be done . If one group of religious people cant even get on with another group of people (sunni and shiite ) in its own religion there is no hope .
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Re: Paris
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14/11/2015 14:17
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And people wonder about my opposition to any and all forms of religion... Well quite. Time and again religion is used as justification for unspeakable acts.
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Re: Paris
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14/11/2015 16:23
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As has been seen with other terrorists the only solution is to talk and to compromise. Flexing muscles bombing and talking tough is not the way to deal with those who are prepared to fight terrorist campaigns against innocents.
Did sending more British Soldiers into Ireland work? NO, it just brought more killing to the streets of England! As much as I find certain persons form that conflict abhorrent I would rather they shake their fists over tables and spout rubbish than plant bombs in shopping centers.
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Re: Paris
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14/11/2015 16:38
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Did sending more British Soldiers into Ireland work? NO, it just brought more killing to the streets of England!
I think you've way over-simplified the Troubles and I'm not at all sure what relevance it has to this discussion. I also kinda doubt that ISIS is an organisation with which you can sit down and negotiate. They come across as just a bunch of sociopaths
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Re: Paris
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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14/11/2015 17:13
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With regard your first point, relevance. They too had terrorists. As much as we now try and forget, those terrorists brought death and destruction to innocents too. The solution only came from talking... I also kinda doubt that ISIS is an organisation with which you can sit down and negotiate. They come across as just a bunch of sociopaths Agree with the sociopath comment but if your assessment that there will be no talking to such people is correct, then our future looks rather bleak
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Re: Paris
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14/11/2015 17:35
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With regard your first point, relevance. They too had terrorists. As much as we now try and forget, those terrorists brought death and destruction to innocents too. The solution only came from talking... I also kinda doubt that ISIS is an organisation with which you can sit down and negotiate. They come across as just a bunch of sociopaths Agree with the sociopath comment but if your assessment that there will be no talking to such people is correct, then our future looks rather bleak being from northern ireland, i can assure you that the tragedy Paris has suffered is far different than the troubles. We suffered from those trying to profit from misery and still do! ISIS is a totally different set up, closing borders, big brother surveillance, armed forces on the streets etc. will have to happen to help flush this cancer out.
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Re: Paris
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14/11/2015 18:58
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Not sure what to say. It's a sad sad state of affairs. Can't see talking to isis working, their demands would involve many people being ruled in way that no western government (infact civilised) could accept as being a sensible solution. There are 2 ways that would solve it: Nuke the out of the area and wipe out the majority of them and their resources / ways of earning cash. Find an even worse set of scumbags to fight for power in the region to derail them. Diplomacy vanished with the wmd debacle. They blow up planes, buildings and world treasures with disregard. Maybe the Internet needs switching off???
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Re: Paris
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14/11/2015 19:06
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Latest news is that at least one of the Paris bombers came through Greece as a migrant. I'm afraid that isn't going to be good news for the legitimate migrants.
Well who didn't see that coming? Just earlier than expected.
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Re: Paris
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14/11/2015 19:22
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Watching the news now, it appears even worse than I thought it was when I saw it this morning. I work for a French company with offices in that area of Paris. Hope there's no bad news on Monday.
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Re: Paris
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14/11/2015 19:27
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Yup - whilst Ireland was mostly resolved by talking, we weren't flying sorties to bomb those terrorists. Equally the Irish terrorists ended up talking because they were making no progress towards their aims. IS is different altogether.
Latest news is that at least one of the Paris bombers came through Greece as a migrant. I'm afraid that isn't going to be good news for the legitimate migrants. Really want to keep out of this / obviously horrendous as it is, the Irish situation was a totally different story.
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Re: Paris
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14/11/2015 19:40
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And people wonder about my opposition to any and all forms of religion... Well quite. Time and again religion is used as justification for unspeakable acts. Well yes it's true that unspeakable acts have been carried out using religion as a cause. But ultimately it's all about power over others. Here,s a list of other culprits that can be put alongside religion. Past kings and queens. Pagan Chiefs. Various dictators. Oh and politicians! Now there's a bee's nest for discussion. We really have to take a long look at what past governments from all over the world have been and are involved in. No one is blameless. It's very shocking for us now it's on our doorstep but it's on someone's doorstep everyday. A terrible state of affairs.
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Re: Paris
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14/11/2015 19:58
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And people wonder about my opposition to any and all forms of religion... Well quite. Time and again religion is used as justification for unspeakable acts. Well yes it's true that unspeakable acts have been carried out using religion as a cause. But ultimately it's all about power over others. Here,s a list of other culprits that can be put alongside religion. Past kings and queens. Pagan Chiefs. Various dictators. Oh and politicians! Now there's a bee's nest for discussion. We really have to take a long look at what past governments from all over the world have been and are involved in. No one is blameless. It's very shocking for us now it's on our doorstep but it's on someone's doorstep everyday. A terrible state of affairs. Joe, I've tried to keep out of this as said, I agree with what you've said & I'm probably a bit....this would never happen in my neck of the woods, sounding all too selfish. This is devastating to say the least. So much history in the past as Joe has pointed out. The human bombs however are something else.Again I'm stating the obvious. The one thing that we all agree on is the fact no one has an answer.
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Re: Paris
[Re: Barmybob]
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14/11/2015 20:02
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As has been seen with other terrorists the only solution is to talk and to compromise. Flexing muscles bombing and talking tough is not the way to deal with those who are prepared to fight terrorist campaigns against innocents.
Did sending more British Soldiers into Ireland work? NO, it just brought more killing to the streets of England! As much as I find certain persons form that conflict abhorrent I would rather they shake their fists over tables and spout rubbish than plant bombs in shopping centers. Question : How do you talk to an organisation who want to live in the middle ages and shun everything western .
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