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Interesting Pilgrimage to Perfect Touch...
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20/06/2007 01:15
20/06/2007 01:15
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I have finally got my car ready and time off work to make the trip from N.Ireland to Perfect Touch in Hoddesdon, the run over went fine and the day on the roller went fairly well too. My car is fitted with - Forged pistons Lightened and Balanced Flywheel GT28RSR Turbo SIP Ramair Filter Hayward & Scott 3" downpipe GT28 flanged Decat 2.5" Milltek exhaust Greddy Profec B Boost controller Pro-Alloy FMIC Walbro Pump 3.8Bar FPR After a walk up the town of hoddesdon (not much happening there) i went back down to see how the car was coming on.. the peak power output was 299bhp at the Flywheel and 292lb/ft of Torque this was produced using 1.5bar midrange and 1.15bar at the redline, Rob assured me that this was safe to run so i was happy, i though the output was alittle low compared to cars with a simlar setup and running less boost than mine was Anyways i headed back for liverpool, the car felt great and i got to the boat for a few jars and a snooze, but soon it all went wrong, i was about 10miles from the boat on my final 70mile journey home, pushing on alittle (120ish) in 5th and under acceleration i heard a bang watched the oil pressure drop and the motorway fill with smoke, it had just thrown a conrod out of the sump.. wat a blody expensive and horrible trip, having only done 3k miles on this freshly rebuilt engine So all in all.. PT? was it their fault? did they dial me in too much boost? Or was it a dodgey engine component than caused the failure? I suppose i will only find out when i pull the sump off and see what i can extract Iain
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20/06/2007 01:54
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Oh dear, Sorry to hear that. So is it a broken rod or broken rod bolts? When you open it up upload the pics. Its not boost that breaks rods it’s the torque. Sounds like a dodgy rod or loose rod bolt as I thought these rods could handle 330ft/lb
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20/06/2007 02:00
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20/06/2007 02:09
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fairly unlikely to be PTs fault - With the spec you have, you should be capable of running rather more than the power PT managed to extract
If it was PTs mapping, you would have melted a piston or burnt a valve. If the bottom end has let go, its down to a mechanical failure
However, if the mapping was sufficiently bad, the piston may have failed, causing the rod to flail around in the bore - it wouldn't have taken long for it to find its way out of the block
Can't believe PT could have got it that wrong, not after so many good results
My money is on a failed rod bolt - 300 lb-ft is well within the rod's limits, so it looks like a freak failure.
bad luck
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20/06/2007 02:17
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I agree with Nigel the figures seem too low for a healthy engine and bottom end failure is more mechanical than mapping. Who built the engine?
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20/06/2007 05:49
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Yeah the car seemed so good but i didnt even get a full tank of juice though it before the Bang.. After a discussion with Rob (who was very helpful) he explained that it was likely to be a machanical failure, The guy that built the engine is a motorsport minded mechanic and not an actual engine builder, he will be fitting me a std. engine which i think i have sourced, engines are just the kind of thing that you cant really have any comeback on i suppose and i couldnt tell if it was to a loose bolt a broken bolt really i guess Should be getting the sump off this week and then i should be able to tell if its a rod or bolt failure.. hopefully i can salvage a head at least from the engine and get back on the road again asap
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20/06/2007 14:13
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Toss! Really bad luck mate - really feel for you.
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20/06/2007 14:20
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If it's any consolation, when I changed the big end bearings on mine I torque the caps up using the 16v settings instead of 20v, not much difference, but one worked loose after 100 yards so no damage done, but if you have a bolt that's worked loose, I guess you'll find it in the sump in one piece as opposed to a broken bolt. Bad luck, hope you get it fixed soon.
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20/06/2007 16:50
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Sorry to hear your bad news mate.
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20/06/2007 17:53
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Sheesh.. sorry to hear that Iain. My aux belt let go on the PT rollers so I do understand that sinking feeling. Hope you get her back on the road asap.
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21/06/2007 02:11
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Really sorry to read this Iain. You're now due about 10 years of good luck, i can't believe the run of bad luck you've had ...
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21/06/2007 02:43
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Oh dear, sorry to hear about this Iain . I had a similar experience with mine last year, so I know how you are feeling right now ! Phil
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21/06/2007 14:32
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Really sorry Iain, that's really bad news, I can only imagine how you feel. good luck with the new engine.
Joe
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21/06/2007 17:32
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Thanks guys I think im going to collect an engine and box tonite
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21/06/2007 19:57
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Thanks guys I think im going to collect an engine and box tonite You may want to have a few of the boys keep a look out for someone with a voodoo doll in the shape of a yellow coupe before u fit this one!
Last edited by davidub; 21/06/2007 20:16.
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22/06/2007 00:10
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Dude. Thats terrible terrible luck.
Not to say anything against your mate, but when an engine isnt running right, the power will be done. Maybe the lack of power from the engine was a sign of the impending failure? Really bad luck but get a diagnose done.
Ross
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22/06/2007 21:09
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yeah i intend to.. Im going to drop this lump in on std internals and bolt on my bits and pieces then run it as sensible boost.. I will get the engine dismantled when the engine comes out and get some photos, then some of your technically minded guys can diagnose what the failure was Iain
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28/06/2007 00:43
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bad news mate, but it may not have helped using forged pistons ( these will be usually well balanced ) thus as you kept the OEM rods, these will be BADLY balanced, thus you probably made the crank assembly more out of balance = conrod failure. the more power, the more you NEED to balance the bottom end, literally to within a gram, get it wrong & kaboom ! soz to hear it mate, hopefully it was a freak failure
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30/06/2007 02:07
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New Std engine getting ready for slotting in... then we shall see what we can salvage from the old one!
Wasnt as big a deal as i thot altho my wallet hurts!
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30/06/2007 02:53
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I admire your spirit - this would p*** me off enormously
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02/07/2007 00:51
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02/07/2007 14:31
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nah not yet my mechanic is really busy and he is belting up the engine i got this week nad giving it a quick check over before going in Iain
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02/07/2007 14:32
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nah not yet my mechanic is really busy and he is belting up the engine i got this week nad giving it a quick check over before going in Iain
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04/08/2007 00:10
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just had a report back from my mechanic..
the 5th rod is comeplete shattered, it has broken in the middle Big end is still on the crank and bearing, small end is still up the cylinder.. and the middle of the rod is no where to be found...
Could an explanation of this be the 140mph hard accelleration and the sharp left off? causing Rod stretch?
Iain
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Re: Interesting Pilgrimage to Perfect Touch...
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07/08/2007 01:24
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Never heard of a Coupe rod letting go in the middle before - its usually the rod bolts that fail
In PT's defence, it now looks like it was nothing to do with their mapping Yes it does in fairness.. i will have to investigate further, abit worried how to stop it from happening again tho
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07/08/2007 16:53
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Yes it does in fairness.. i will have to investigate further, abit worried how to stop it from happening again tho It´s easy mate. Stop tuning the engine (sorry couldn´t resist joking a little bit ) Will you go to PT again after you finished the engine?
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07/08/2007 18:34
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abit worried how to stop it from happening again tho My guess is that it wouldn't happen again - for a rod to let go like yours did, it was almost certainly defective and prior to your mapping session, was running just below its failure point. As soon as you had it mapped, the extra power became the final straw. I'm running over 400bhp (and more importantly, 340 lb-ft) on balanced standard rods with forged pistons. I've now done over 30,000 miles on them since they were fitted, and occasionally, I still drive it like I stole it.
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10/08/2007 21:02
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rod failled under accelleration as far as i can remember...
another little question.. car broke/cracked a piston in the 5cyl and thats the reason i did the previous rebuild, i have now acually seen the engine and it is the 5th that failed again?
only thing different on that 5th cylinder is the coilpack.. only realised it has a different part number to the others.. possible an NA one?
The car seems to run fine and i never had problems with it going off a cylinder or anything..
Could the wrong coilpack have caused any of this damage?
Iain
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