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Re: Fastest ever 1/4 mile? [Re: Easy] #1005344
22/03/2010 13:45
22/03/2010 13:45

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Originally Posted By: Easy
What boost level generally does the RSR start to become infficient?


Who knows theres no compressor map as its not a garrett turbo its a hybrid.

Re: Fastest ever 1/4 mile? [Re: ] #1005455
22/03/2010 17:20
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technically its still a garret as its a gt28 r with a bigger comp wheel from the rs and this one has had the turbine done also although what they did i didnt ask..but as you point out its not a proper garret model but all its components are garret

Re: Fastest ever 1/4 mile? [Re: ] #1005537
22/03/2010 20:24
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Oh not disputing it CAN be made of garrett components but that doesn't make it a garrett turbo.

My main point being is there is no maps for it so efficencies etc are unknown. I'm also not desputing that its a good turbo especially on the coupe. Fast spool and circa 330bhp what more could you want

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Re: Fastest ever 1/4 mile? [Re: ] #1005852
23/03/2010 12:33
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Originally Posted By: ktm450exc
thanks suba..maybe if i explain myself better ...i am trying to grasp which would be the best way to achieve a good 1/4 time all i know is that the higher comp gives a little more off boost i am not sure about the difference on although i would like to know..i can understand how it would be better to have slightly lower comp in order to run higher boost /bigger turbo in order to use the turbo to make the bigger power...my interest is more in which way you would achieve a better result over a small distance like the 1/4..by using higher comp smaller quicker spooling turbo or a lower comp bigger turbo more boost...
do you see what i would like to understand better? it would be nice if rather than just getting an answer i could get an explanation...also what are the advantages and disadvantages of higher comp say 9.1 when on boost... can anyone fill my spongelike mind with a good laymans terms answer


OK, I wont write an essay for you. There are plenty of books on forced induction tuning / mapping that you can buy if you want to read in detail.

High compression ratio = good performance off boost, smoother transition onto boost, and better response on boost. However you can't run as much boost without detonation

low compression ratio = rubbish off boost, but you can run big boost when the boost thumps in without detonation

For a 1/4 mile the car should never be off boost. All the big power drag skylines may well be road legal, but would drive like an utter dog on the road - low compression ratios with fat head gaskets, and no power below 5,000 rpm. However for a 1/4 up goes the rev limit, and the car gets launched at 6,000 rpm....you can get away with this as there's the AWD drivetrain.

With FWD I can't imagine a 6,000 rpm launch on road tyres in a car with 400bhp is going to be all that easy...

Re: Fastest ever 1/4 mile? [Re: ] #1005918
23/03/2010 14:01
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big thanks.. so its a detonation thing with higher comp and big boost? i take it that me personally on a little turbo like mine (rsr)and 9.1 would be able to run all i could get from it efficiently without that being an issue? with proper mapping of course.
i had realisised that with a coupe it would be an issue getting the power down at the off (i would be scared of breaking things personally) but then i am not planning to do them just interested in the way to go about it..it doesn't bear as much relevence to having a quick point to point road car as i had first thought it may, so thanks for that ..i really could talk about it all day(or rather put someone to sleep with questions) so much to know !

Re: Fastest ever 1/4 mile? [Re: ] #1005978
23/03/2010 15:14
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Yes! If you start another thread on this I'll post some more - but this one is getting dragged off topic a fair bit now. smile

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