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Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1322807
06/03/2012 23:24
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Well as I don't have an under tray, it's exposed to the road dirt and crap.

Don't worry... It's going to be transformed before spa!!

I promise it will be mint just for you Joe!!!

Also, there's no oil... Just dirt... More dirt and a bit more dirt...

Last edited by Marco20ValveT; 06/03/2012 23:25.
Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1322818
06/03/2012 23:49
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you can use that extra bit of pipe work as a walking stick smile

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1322865
07/03/2012 09:58
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hahaha thanks!

at the time, it was the only thng i had to hand so it was massivley long.

Now its nice and short smile

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368468
17/08/2012 13:46
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Mate, glad you have persevered in this and if anyone says tuning is easy or within a budget, you know what that it will take twice as long and double the budget.

Keep going mate, you're nearly there smile


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368471
17/08/2012 13:57
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Thanks for the support begbie!

im going to show all my cost on this build..

jsut to put it in persective.

its cost SO much more maily becasue of the stupid things.

i.e Block, Crank, oil pump laugh

but im getting there!!

theres still SO much more to happen.. wink

should make the car a perfect track/road car that you can drive to the shops and go crazy on the way home laugh

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368472
17/08/2012 14:02
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Good luck with the fitting and mapping.

Be interesting to see what you get powerwise from it with all those lightened parts.

Ross

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368505
17/08/2012 15:38
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Lightened parts doesn't equal more power smile


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368511
17/08/2012 15:53
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Out of interest what does lightend and balanced parts equal?


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Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368515
17/08/2012 16:06
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Good luck!

:-)

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368516
17/08/2012 16:07
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Quicker spin up (and down) and a smoother engine plus a little bit extra resilience at top end RPM before it goes bang.

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368517
17/08/2012 16:08
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No Christmas presents for the misses laugh

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: DLT] #1368519
17/08/2012 16:14
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Originally Posted By: Duffy
before it goes bang.


charming!! lol

Originally Posted By: DLT
No Christmas presents for the misses laugh


LOL
i would be shot..

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368521
17/08/2012 16:19
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Originally Posted By: Duffy
Quicker spin up (and down) and a smoother engine plus a little bit extra resilience at top end RPM before it goes bang.


Supposedly... rolleyes

I had an engine built with lightened and balanced materials and don't notice the difference over my current coupe.

Lightened flywheel is always a good idea and will make the biggest difference.

Ross

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368523
17/08/2012 16:21
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i drove a mates car that was the same set up as mine bar a stage 3 hybrid and the difference was night and day.

who built that engine?

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368532
17/08/2012 16:58
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Originally Posted By: h2ypr
Originally Posted By: Duffy
Quicker spin up (and down) and a smoother engine plus a little bit extra resilience at top end RPM before it goes bang.


Supposedly... rolleyes

I had an engine built with lightened and balanced materials and don't notice the difference over my current coupe.

Lightened flywheel is always a good idea and will make the biggest difference.

Ross


Ross, no supposedly about it if it's done properly.

It's down to basic physics and engineering.

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368543
17/08/2012 17:12
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Argue with Barbz engine building if you wish..

Ross

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368558
17/08/2012 18:31
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I'm quite happy that I know what I'm talking about here and I'm guessing all these motorsport companies don't do it just for the fun of it.

So that's a direct quote from Barbz that balancing and lightening is a waste of time?

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368571
17/08/2012 19:24
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Originally Posted By: Duffy

So that's a direct quote from Barbz that balancing and lightening is a waste of time?


What quote do you refer to? Or are you arguing with my personal opinion? rolleyes

Ross

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368575
17/08/2012 19:37
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Tbh Ross, if you think lightening and balancing all the engine components is a waste of time...

You must of wasted your money with Barbz.

Why would Barbz build and sell some thing thats pointless??

Barbz - if you read this, share your opinions on a lighten and balanced engine please smile

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368576
17/08/2012 19:37
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Well done Marco, you are one of a kind smile


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Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368582
17/08/2012 20:12
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Ross, so you mentioned Barbz because....................

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: Flea] #1368594
17/08/2012 20:35
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Definitely "Special" tongue



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Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368596
17/08/2012 20:42
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Originally Posted By: Marco20ValveT
Tbh Ross, if you think lightening and balancing all the engine components is a waste of time...

You must of wasted your money with Barbz.

Why would Barbz build and sell some thing thats pointless??

Barbz - if you read this, share your opinions on a lighten and balanced engine please smile


Research and development can be hit or miss.

Yes it would have been better than non lightened/balanced, but there was no obvious advantages on our setup's, hence I didn't go the same way this time.

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Ross, so you mentioned Barbz because....................



I noticed you didn't answer my question. The answer to yours is on this thread. Read back over it.

Ross

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368603
17/08/2012 20:56
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Ahh Ross is doing his usual and talking out an orifice not normally associated with speech!

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368607
17/08/2012 21:16
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Originally Posted By: Duffy
Ahh Ross is doing his usual and talking out an orifice not normally associated with speech!


And you continuing with your "holier than thou" attitude as usual.

Again you've avoided the question.

Please enlighten me with your infinite wisdom with regards to your experiences with balanced and lightened components on the coupe?

You made an issue out of this, I was not having a go at you, I was simply stating my opinion. You on the otherhand are clearly bored on a Friday night. Fortunately I'm getting paid to type this reply to you.

Ross

p.s. sorry Marco, I wasn't having a go at you. Would like to see your results to compare what I found with mine. As I said, all the best.

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368617
17/08/2012 21:40
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Put them away chaps,i know its Friday night so a beer and a fight is on the cards but leave that for the younger generation.

In short :-

I have been playing with lightened components for years both at a personal interest and for customers vehicles.

Lightening offers no noticeable advantage for performance in general on the same platform.

Every 20vt i have driven performs differently and no two are comparable from factory.

I have also built numerous engines to the same spec,some have 3 bar oil pressure,some have 1 bar hot.
Some make 300 bhp others make 360 on the same identical setup.
Theres no rule of thumb for expected performance.

In terms of balancing as far as im concerned can be argued both ways.
The first assumption is the less weight a mechanical component in rotation has then the less mechanical resistance.
In the old days turning on aircon and other ancillaries would make a noticeable difference to engine performance.
Mechanical drag/weight is no different so in theory it should make a difference all be it marginal.

The reason i always lightened components is to increase the engines life and the balancing helps against mechanical resonance or frequency at higher rpm.

Ontop of this EVERY little thing in turn add upto alot in the end even if its only a few digits.

So there isnt a yes or no to it.
Yes it should make a difference but i never notice it.

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: nick_d] #1368653
17/08/2012 22:45
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Originally Posted By: nick_d
Definitely "Special" tongue

Coming from the person who can't post in the correct place lol

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368696
18/08/2012 00:09
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laugh

Yes I can (occasionally) act like a grown up!

Ross

Can I take this opportunity to apologise.
Obviously you are right and I am wrong!
Cynicism and trolling frustrate me however
Knowing this should allow me to rise above it!

It will not happen again.

smile



Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368705
18/08/2012 00:22
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Good for you mate rotate

Re: Marco's Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1368739
18/08/2012 01:16
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Fair do's Marco, I'd have thrown in the towel a long time ago and would have retreated to a forest to pretend to be a squirrel. A red one.


PS I think Ross/Duffy are the same person with multiple personality disorder laugh



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