thus speaks the wise sage of birkenhead..i have just reread that what a t**t
like i can pontificate!

We can be here all day, debating what's right and wrong. Just let me get on with selling my cars, i've not failed yet. I don't hold no grudges ktm, any questions just ask me. You've got my number !

i hope you dont bear grudges as well especially when we havent fallen out yet!

Fancy buying my motor then ? :-)

i am just about to leave the house to go see the red one i have bid him on it so have an agreed
dependant on it not having issues.. too much and i dont want it ..
with my engine build and supporting mods costing so much in time and money i cant sink much of either into the car its going in
i did have the one you are selling at 1600 with its last owner but just couldn't get to aberystwyth i had a head at bennies in south wales as well and couldnt get for that either as have had to stay local with our eldest being in hospital very poorly and kids an family to ferry about
anyway i am interested
whats it like on the body
underneath
and how is it for dings?

have to leave its getting late will contact you later

Sorry to hear about the family, give us a call when your available ok.

*cough* shouldn't you be declaring on the advert that you are a trader *cough*

thats one of those issues thats up to the individual if you have a trade account then it shows through the type of add ..
if you are advertising and paying for an add you dont have to theres no legal (or moral from what i can see) need to declare yourself a trader as long as you are not hiding it if someone asks... then like anyone else you are advertising a vehichle and it will sell or not on its merits ..
whether you do this for a living or not should bear no relevance..
on autotrader you have it on your add if you are a trader as thats thier policy which gives the potential customer a heads up that you have facilities or a warrentee is legally obliged
ebay and other sites dont have policy on it

oxfordSteve is right.

I don't see why it should be taken personally really.

Most people whether they're active on a forum or not would have concerns about ANY car that appears to be changing hands and being placed for sale by different vendors over a couple of weeks.

If buyers are looking for a specific model aren't they likely to a remember a particular car if they see it advertised several times?

Who wants to buy a possible lemon that's just being sold on?

Perhaps some people grew up in another age when buying a car was a serious matter and not something given as much thought as what pint to have when stood at a bar or a £6 tee shirt from Tesco? Some people don't buy cars on a whim. Perhaps people that are actively seeking a specific model don't buy on a whim either?

Personally I'm finding the age of cutting and pasting previous adverts from when someone previously bought the car a bit odd.

Some people seem to be selling an advert rather than a car, and somehow what they've typed for an advert goes someway to negating the four figure repair the car requires.

Where's the indication, or hidden code in the eBay listing that you're a trader? If you're a trader specialising in Fiat Coupes why not mention it in the eBay advert?

I'm not sure bellyaching about what people type on a forum has much credibility with me when there's no indication in the eBay listing that you're a trader?

You kind of want some honesty and transparency from people but want to put cars for sale on eBay without stating you're trader? Can you see how that's a bit inconsistent?

So you want to use the Internet to sell cars without stating you're a trader, but then have a gripe when people use the Internet to query or discuss the provenance of a car that they may be interested in?

whats the issue with decaring yourself a trader?
it isn't a legal or moral requirement
the car for sale will sell on its merits and price ..how the owner makes his living is niether here nor there

'What laws and rights am I covered by?

The Sale of Goods Act 1979 is a key right for consumers buying anything from a trader, not just a car, and says that the item should be of satisfactory quality, or as described.'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8574668.stm

Does the sale of goods act apply to individuals selling their own car privately then?


Why be up front and honest with people when you can just play a technicality eh?

sorry what do you mean by playing technicalities?
what do you see here that is wrong or bad that illicits such a reaction?
whats seems to be happening here is the stereotypical image of the shady trader which is a figment of the not very imaginatives imagination
hes selling a car you tell me what difference there is between him selling it and a private individual?
its the same car!
he does not have to declare he is a trader and if asked would do so would without care as he has..
whats the sale of goods act got to do with anything here there is no issue with the car
the sale of goods act is what it is.. there to protect buyers from unscrupulous sellers
it seems you have made your mind up and feel like you need protecting from this big rogue
but really he is a man selling a car just like any other man if he has 3 cars like me or 6 or 60 what possible reason is that to necessitate him declaring how he makes a living there is nothing going on that is in any way wrong or needs declaring i am at a loss really as to why you think he needs to declare he trades can you give me a good reason why he should? or why he would need to?

Shady?

What's wrong with specifying in an advert that he's a trader?

Why do you think classified adverts in local newspapers have a little (T) at the end?

I know a PCSO that doesn't like being seen entering their house because they live in suburb with more than a few ne'erdowells in it so I can understand why they're a bit sensitive to all and sundry knowing what their profession is, but I fail to see why this vendor wants to keep the fact that they're a trader secret?


Legislation covers those selling cars, just as it does those selling mortgages and financial services and properties.

http://www.rhondda-cynon-taf.gov.uk/stel...dDocName=028457

A good job Newbury isn't in Wales eh?

'Unfair commercial practices and criminal offences

A dealer may have committed a criminal offence if they have done any of the following things:

* Pretended to be a private seller'

From:

http://www.desktoplawyer.co.uk/dtl/index.cfm?event=base:article&node=A76053BD34188

I don't know why people would want to misrepresent themselves when they're selling car?

Yes you do Monza!

If you are a private seller, your buyer is not covered by the Sale of Goods act or the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations.

This bloke is a trader, and should be declaring as such, its not a moral issue, its a legal one.

Thanks Steve, sometimes I get the impression from this forum that Fiat Coupe types live in some alternative universe.

One where the law doesn't apply you mean!!

Perhaps it's a reflection of the age in which we live?

I was unaware of this but thanks for pointing it out guys

The prosecution by Rhondda Cynon Taf Council’s Trading Standards officers is an important one, as consumers who purchase from traders and car dealers have different rights from those who undertake private sales.

I may have misunderstood the original question, but I'm sure it said does anyone know this car? And although amusing this thread is there hasn't been much talk about the car! It looks quite tidy to me, if I was looking to buy I would have go and have look! I must admit I was too lazy to read the description as I was too tired from reading this thread.

Wiltshire to Newbury? Sounds pretty close to me, go and have a look.

what a sad world we live in, it makes me wonder about fiat coupe types as well, 'people being concerned about ne'er do wells' can you explain what that has to do with the trader issue, as far as i can see it is a totally unrelated issue and the whole flavour of everything you say points at you seeing traders as some sort of wrong doers.......as i explained before on ebay if you are a home trader there is no requirement to state you are a trader, this isn't Minder, we're not talking about Arthur Daley types working out of shady car plots every time a trader is mentioned. I have a retired friend who was a master technician that buys the odd car with an isssue or in need of a bit of restoration, does an excellent job then sells them on to earn extra money, this guy like the above is a home trader who you certainly don't need protecting from and wouldn't dream of stating they are a trader in the ad, because although they technically are they see themselves as private individuals. If something went wrong he would be horrified and want to put it right.
your assuming that this guy is hiding something but he came on open forum and straight off said he was a trader theres no facility on ebay for home trader so it doesn't come up on an add. blieve me if there was a potential legal issue or requirement they would enforce it for fear of legal action.
home traders are covered by the sale of goods act and no one is trying to deny this everything your issue revolves around is only relevent if there is a problem with the car or trader which you just assume there will be as he is hiding something ..he has done nothing wrong broken no law and the car is probably a sound one so your making up problems that dont exist
it all boils down to your looking for wrongs and expecting people to be low life and hiding things and tricking you what a sad world some of you people must live in when behind every add or nieghborhood neer do wells may lurk to get you

Ebay make absolutely no effort to police anything on their site, either for items or sellers, and rely on users to report problems to them. There is a perfectly good Dealer option on eBay and should be using that.

I have no idea if the seller is a good or bad dealer, but not declaring your trading status would definitely put me off - if they are not being up front about that, what else?

So here they're selling the car here as a trader, but on eBay and Pistonheads they're selling the car as a private individual?

So the car is being sold by a trader, or it's being sold by an individual? Which is it?

Why haven't they stated in either of their adverts that they are a trader?

So in the description field of the listing in the advert there's no scope for typing 'I am a trader working from my home'? There aren't other traders on eBay that sell cars as 'home traders' that specify it in their listings?

i suspect this is going no where as we are dealing at bottom line with attitude and stereotypes
because someone didn't mention they were a home trader in the add does not mean they have anything to hide or are hiding anything
home trading is an individual thing not normally a business ..theres no list of cars to sell, no plot or garage,no dealer facilities ,one man, usually one car at a time possible a couple
the guy just wrote an add and descibed the car..he volunteered he traded on open forum and there is nothing to say he wouldn't have explained what he did if you spoke on the phone or went to view ..
a lot of these guys have other jobs and see themselves as chef,mechanic whatever,..retired technician in my friends case and it would not even occur to him to put in the add somewhere "by the way i am a trader" as he is not he is a retired technician selling a car
as i say it all boils down to attitude and some people will always feel they need the law on everything on there side
as they are expecting the worst from people ..others just don't see things that way at all
there are far more important issues i would rather be contemplating so on that note i will remove myself from this as our attitude to life is obviously very different but i have to say that looking for and expecting people to be hiding things and worrying about ne'er do wells is for certain types and they are welcome to it
why not write to ebay and report him maybe try and get him in trouble in some way for his transgression?
yawn

There is no such thing as a home trader, you are either a dealer, or you are a private individual. If you have bought a car to sell, you are a trader, simple as that.

Buyers rights are nothing to do with attitudes or stereotypes, they are the law. If someone buys this car from this dealer, and something does go wrong, they have the full rights under the sale of goods act etc., and if anyone from here does decide to buy it, then they have the right to know that.

It's not a matter of being arsey about it, it's about attempting to make it clear.

By the way, someone has stolen all you capital letters!!!

wrong - the car wasn't being advertised on here, the discussion about it is entirely from an ad elsewhere. i really don't see what the problem is, with every car you buy it's "caveat emptor" and if you do your homework you are less likely to suffer a bad buy. some of the worst buys you can make are from private traders who either blatantly lie about the car or, worse, sell it on in a dangerous condition "sold as seen" and you have no comeback.

give the guy a break, he's broken no laws and no moral codes as far as i can see

No law or moral code, apart from the fact it's illegal for a trader to pose as a private seller.

Yawn?

It boils down to attitude?

In the last century people interested in responding to adverts for used cars were advised to start any telephone calls with 'I am calling about the car' as if it's a trader they may answer 'Which car?'

I didn't write such articles or guides on how to go about buying a used car, just as I didn't write or influence the legislation covering traders selling cars, I am merely aware of them and read them.

Other questions to ask those selling cars are:

1. 'Why are you selling the car?'
2. 'Is the V5 in your name?'
3. 'How long have you owned the car?'

Perhaps those questions could be useful to determine whether a person actually has title of any vehicle they're selling or determining whether it's being sold by a trader?

Why do cars go to auction?

What percentage of people sell their cars when they have a fault that will be expensive to repair, or before they're about to incur a big bill at the MoT test station?

All cars are perfect and none of them have faults that could well be in excess of their value to remedy?