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17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR #1155927
13/01/2011 13:18
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Monday 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR Power Runs after 5pm

Guys I am booked at Surrey RR to undertake some dyno runs to see how my coop is performing.You are welcome to join me and save on normal cost. Please ring SRR directly and book a place anytime after 5pm. Its booked under Nazo.

I will be there from 4ish, along with a very special person indeed wink

The more we have the cheaper the cost of Power Run/Dyno. however there are only 3 additional places available

Surrey Rolling Road Ltd,
Unit 120, Qinetiq Chobham lane,
Surrey, KT16 0EE
Email: srr@surreyrollingroad.co.uk
Phone : 01276 686111
Mobile : 07787 114847
http://www.surreyrollingroad.co.uk/index.php

cheers

Nazo

p.s. I will not be available between Friday evening until Sunday evening, as I am climbing mountains and no signal or WWW access

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: ] #1156000
13/01/2011 16:29
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I might come along, hell I might ring Charlie and book myself in. Didn't know Stan was coming too though? laugh


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Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: DaveG] #1156001
13/01/2011 16:32
13/01/2011 16:32

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He he he.. nice one.. Would be great to meet up again.

Did you get the springs on?

Let me know if you get booked in..

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: ] #1156021
13/01/2011 17:07
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I quite fancy this, I think I can get there for about 5 ish.


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Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: technics] #1156072
13/01/2011 19:27
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Naz, you bought springs, not me (but no, not fitted the billies frown )


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Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: DaveG] #1156511
14/01/2011 16:44
14/01/2011 16:44

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OK ..my bad..lol

I will be back on Sunday night to check who else has got booked, thereafter see you guys Monday.

cheers

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: ] #1156860
15/01/2011 14:15
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I would love to have come but I'm working nights on Monday and need to be back by 1800. With a 1:20 drive I just can't make it. cry

If there are enough people interested but can make this date then I'll sort out another date for us. smile

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: OO7] #1156891
15/01/2011 15:45
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Originally Posted By: OO7
I would love to have come but I'm working nights on Monday and need to be back by 1800. With a 1:20 drive I just can't make it. cry

If there are enough people interested but can make this date then I'll sort out another date for us. smile


I'd be up for going but like Chris/OO7 i can't drive up there in time and I'm also having an MOT / new suspension fitted.

Would be up for it on a different day

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: ] #1157445
16/01/2011 22:31
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Ok got back this evening..

Would be excellent to meet up with as many coop'sters as possible, even if not undertaking RR.

There may well be another trip sometime soon.

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: ] #1157466
16/01/2011 23:14
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Are still going though Nazo?


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Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: technics] #1157591
17/01/2011 10:38
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good luck guys!
let us know how your cars get on!!

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: ] #1157602
17/01/2011 11:01
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My interior fan has stopped working again, the connector on the resistor looks like history, so not driving the Coupe at the mo' frown but will try to turn up in the 306 cabby


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1985½ & 2016 2017 Fiat 124 Spider + XF Sportbrake
Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: technics] #1157656
17/01/2011 13:03
17/01/2011 13:03

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Originally Posted By: technics
Are still going though Nazo?


Yes indeed

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: DaveG] #1157658
17/01/2011 13:04
17/01/2011 13:04

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Originally Posted By: DaveG
My interior fan has stopped working again, the connector on the resistor looks like history, so not driving the Coupe at the mo' frown but will try to turn up in the 306 cabby


Really sorry to hear this, hope to see you in any case.

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: ] #1157683
17/01/2011 13:54
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So who is the secret person? Barbz? PM if you wish, i may pop down since i'm not working today smile


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: Begbie] #1157724
17/01/2011 15:23
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Ill pop down for a nose around.


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Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: technics] #1157914
17/01/2011 21:32
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Well, i turned up and the secret person was Barbz who got 437bhp with 1.1bar of boost and no real mapping on it. I will post more tomorrow with video's and photo's smile


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: Begbie] #1157948
17/01/2011 22:28
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Wish I was there to see it happen!!!

That's a massive figure at 1.1 bar!!
I can't wait to see what happens when flea gets his hads on it!

How did every one else get on??

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: ] #1158020
18/01/2011 00:07
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Finally got my coop dyno'd, after all the hard earned cash left my pockets with the new mods.

Coop'sters at the RR were me, barbz and tecnics.. along with elegant company of Begbie.

Mods and Engine work by the legend barbz
Map by the wizard called Flea


My RR Results = 325bhp @ 1.3bar

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SurreyRR (charlie) commented that the coop is running dangeroulsy lean, and that more power delivery can be made above 6k revs. Furthermore its making all the power at 1.3bar boost and considering my mods I should be able to run upto 1.6bar (as did tecnics at the same time, who has a similar setup).

Special and personal Thanks to all that attended

Disappointed with results to be honest, so welcome any feedback and comments please.

cheers

Nazo

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: ] #1158166
18/01/2011 12:09
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Nazo's run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMbwppW3Zts

Barbz run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXsGBGJTqG8

Technics run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g0-ZjurhDs

Results I don't think people were expecting. Nazo's fuelling was off running around 12.3 - 12.5, Barbz was only running 1.1bar at the top end due to what he has done to his turbo, plus was running on a base map without any of the ignition being played with and Technics power run was a lot less than what he had got from the Bristol dyno. Charlie even commented on the turbo and saying that it shouldn't make the power that was previously dyno'd at.

Nazo's Power and Fuel
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Nazo's Power and Torque
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Barbz Power and Fuel
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Technics Power and Fuel
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Technics immaculate engine bay love
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Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: Begbie] #1158183
18/01/2011 12:25
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Yeah I was abit disappointed with that figure. Got one run on 329bhp and 330 lb torque. That wasn't too bad.
But, yes charlie said my old run on the dastek was abit high and that dasteks generally over read.
Then again barbz said that dyno dynamics can under read, and on the road you will get about more power.

But the fueling was spot on, and it drives great.

Good to meet you all last night, and you again Alexis.


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Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: technics] #1158212
18/01/2011 13:00
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The old dyno debate + fueling + every other factor... I'll add more later smile


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Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: Begbie] #1158406
18/01/2011 17:19
18/01/2011 17:19

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Thanks mate, great to catch up with some ol' faces. Managed to mess around with the apexi today and held 1.5bar to the limiter, O' MY GOD! Gonna kiss goodbye to my driving license if i go any higher. crazy laugh

Last edited by Barbz; 18/01/2011 17:20.
Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: ] #1158412
18/01/2011 17:29
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Barbz, why not test it out on track with every one in march?

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: ] #1158468
18/01/2011 19:48
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doesn't want to get wasted by me most likely

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: Flea] #1158700
19/01/2011 11:11
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Originally Posted By: Flea
The old dyno debate + fueling + every other factor... I'll add more later smile

Still waiting. Would love to know how there is a 70bhp discrepancy on Technics car between 2 dyno's. Surrey RR with 270-ish @ the wheels and the one you use with 340-ish @ the wheels


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: Begbie] #1158709
19/01/2011 11:31
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And of course, I'm waiting too. Lol.


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Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: technics] #1158713
19/01/2011 11:41
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People get way too hung up on bhp figures on rolling roads IMO. I see rolling roads as a way of making sure your car is running right. Not to give people big heads because they have 5.2bhp more than somebody else or whatever. Yes its nice to have a nice headline figure but it isn't the be all and end all and doesn't always tell the whole story.

How many factors come into power figures? Temperatures (lots of them), is there enough load on the rollers to ensure you get the optimum boost etc and of course which dyno you use. The ones in Bristol may well overread or whatever, but if you want to see if you have lost power or gained then you are probably best going back to the same ones.

The best way to see if you have made gains is on the black stuff.

Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: technics] #1158715
19/01/2011 11:47
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guys, i no my words do not mean alot when things like this come up...

but tbh rolling roads differ so much its scary.

you could go to a different RR and happily read 50bhp more than what you got from the flea!

the oly way to check your car is still doing what it should is by going to the same RR...


Re: 17th Jan 2011 - Surrey RR [Re: ] #1158737
19/01/2011 12:30
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Quote:
People get way too hung up on bhp figures on rolling roads IMO. I see rolling roads as a way of making sure your car is running right. Not to give people big heads because they have 5.2bhp more than somebody else or whatever. Yes its nice to have a nice headline figure but it isn't the be all and end all and doesn't always tell the whole story.

How many factors come into power figures? Temperatures (lots of them), is there enough load on the rollers to ensure you get the optimum boost etc and of course which dyno you use. The ones in Bristol may well overread or whatever, but if you want to see if you have lost power or gained then you are probably best going back to the same ones.

The best way to see if you have made gains is on the black stuff.


I agree with that school of thought
It'll be AWESOME if it turned out that my run is actually 507.7bhp @ 1.2bar on a dastek dyno, means i've taken top spot on FC league table. 1.8bar here we come! wink laugh

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