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Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1212933 11/05/2011 11:20 11/05/2011 11:20
Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 9,729 Zele, Belgium Kayjey Club Member #10
Kayjey Club Member #10 Je suis un Coupé Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 9,729 Zele, Belgium	Originally Posted By: Deano UPDATE. Id fitted two of the four mount/bracket/thing that attaches wishbones to car back to front. Pictures to follow but pictures this, the front bush bracket is 'sided' ie when fitted correctly it has a strengthening ridge that runs up the outside ie the front bumper side not the door side, the inside doesnt have one. When you fit it the Deano way the ridge is on the inside ie next to the rear bush bracket and hits the driveshaft. All in all a complete pain in the arse to put right, I had to carefully cut the newly fitted washer/sleeve off avoiding the poly bushes with the use of a Dremel. Swap the brackets from side to side, then refit with new sleeves. - Kayjey -

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1212935 11/05/2011 11:27 11/05/2011 11:27
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente
MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford	Interesting read... All of the suspension is brand new... inc the ARB bushes... I guess Were going to have to play around with different things? Proud Owner of Rosso Speed LE041

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1212939 11/05/2011 11:34 11/05/2011 11:34
Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 9,729 Zele, Belgium Kayjey Club Member #10
Kayjey Club Member #10 Je suis un Coupé Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 9,729 Zele, Belgium	I'd guess so. Do some tests... Disconnect drop links first. Then look for loose bolts on the suspension. After that, try to limit engine / gearbox movement (block of wood somewhere) and see if that helps. - Kayjey -

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1212940 11/05/2011 11:36 11/05/2011 11:36
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente
MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford	If it is bottoming out whats my options? Change the sprins? The thing is duncan has a plus (with aircon onviously) and he didnt get this issue... Proud Owner of Rosso Speed LE041

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1212959 11/05/2011 11:52 11/05/2011 11:52
D duncan78 Unregistered
duncan78 Unregistered D	There's got to be something not quite right in the setup as mine looked as low as yours from the pictures, i'm totally not mechanically good but i'm sure Marco will be able to sort it out once you've got the thing apart.

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1212967 11/05/2011 12:04 11/05/2011 12:04
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente
MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford	It definitely feels like there is no spring there and its bottoming out. So if it didnt do it on your car and does it on my car then there is something that is contributing to this... something thats making it bottom out... It does it on both sides so logically i can only thing of the ARB? Not sure how or what i can do to adjust it though? Surly if it fits then thats it? Nothing is lose as we checked on the ramp. Proud Owner of Rosso Speed LE041

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1212980 11/05/2011 12:21 11/05/2011 12:21
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente
MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford	If anyone has photos of the Front Bump Stops and how they are fitted that would also be useful... Per? Proud Owner of Rosso Speed LE041

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1212981 11/05/2011 12:23 11/05/2011 12:23
M Marco20valveT Unregistered
Marco20valveT Unregistered M	Mario, check the top nut on the shocks is TIGHT. we can wack some foam in there to see if it stops but i dont think it will have any noticeable impact. this is going to be a trial an error thing! i cant wait to get my hands back on the car again!!! what i will do, if you can get it over asap, we will check and compare each side to mine. if the ARB is hitting some thing, we will bring it to my work and adjust it with the plasma cutter joking i will fix it mate!!!! really, the only BIG thing we changed is the ARB, thats the only thing every one is moaning about!!!

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1212989 11/05/2011 12:33 11/05/2011 12:33
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,833 Brisbane, Australia Boosted7 My life on the forum
Boosted7 My life on the forum Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,833 Brisbane, Australia	I could be wrong but it just sounds to me like the front is bottoming out, and because you don't have bump stops fitted, it's making a loud bang as the strut slams into the topmount. I think you should try doing as Kelv has mentioned and fit some bump stops. You can just use the standard ones and trim them down before fitting them. 1998 Steel Grey 20V Turbo

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1212995 11/05/2011 12:43 11/05/2011 12:43
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente
MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford	Thats what im thinking/hoping Does anyone have a picture of what it looks like with the bump stops? or even a picture of the bump stops as ive never seen them on the front suspension Proud Owner of Rosso Speed LE041

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1212999 11/05/2011 12:47 11/05/2011 12:47
M Marco20valveT Unregistered
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Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213011 11/05/2011 13:12 11/05/2011 13:12
D duncan78 Unregistered
duncan78 Unregistered D	Did you not have any front bump stops on when you removed your old suspension?

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213014 11/05/2011 13:19 11/05/2011 13:19
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente
MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford	No i didnt duncan Well i dont think i did... Marco has my suspension so he will know Last edited by MarioCirillo; 11/05/2011 13:20. Proud Owner of Rosso Speed LE041

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213032 11/05/2011 13:39 11/05/2011 13:39
M Marco20valveT Unregistered
Marco20valveT Unregistered M	whats left of them lol there abused and falling apart... not caring too much as they do the job and dont bang fancy a swap mario?

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: ] #1213038 11/05/2011 13:45 11/05/2011 13:45
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 395 Sweden Rask Making a profit
Rask Making a profit Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 395 Sweden	Originally Posted By: Marco20valveT Not sure, those look smaller. Here´s a pic which also shows how much needs to be removed: http://sfk.ibk.se/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=116326

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213041 11/05/2011 13:49 11/05/2011 13:49
D duncan78 Unregistered
duncan78 Unregistered D	ah ok, What Boosted7 said sounds like that could well be the issue then. Having had the garage do all of my suspension work, I can only assume that they used my original front bump stops on for the Billies and when I had the standard ones back on. I ordered new rear bump stops but none for the front and that is only because I couldn't see any brand new ones for sale from Alternate Autos.

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213048 11/05/2011 13:58 11/05/2011 13:58
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente
MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford	I think we have found my problem... Proud Owner of Rosso Speed LE041

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213049 11/05/2011 14:03 11/05/2011 14:03
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,706 Gone J Jimbo Je suis un Coupé
Jimbo Je suis un Coupé J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,706 Gone	Ive never heard of it on a billy/eibach combo but ive never heard of anyone withouth bumpstops on the front, however it could be one of two thing, either the damper is bottoming out due to the lowered spring or the spring is going coil bound. Both of these will be prevented by fitting a bump stop and it's something I'd do asap! Does it feel as if the suspension suddenly runs out of travel and gives a real jolt/thud through the entire chassis?

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213051 11/05/2011 14:05 11/05/2011 14:05
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,706 Gone J Jimbo Je suis un Coupé
Jimbo Je suis un Coupé J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,706 Gone	Have a look at the springs, are there marks on the coils as if they have been touching each other?

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: Rask] #1213057 11/05/2011 14:13 11/05/2011 14:13
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,034 Sweden Per I need some sleep
Per I need some sleep Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,034 Sweden	Originally Posted By: Rask Not sure, those look smaller. Here´s a pic which also shows how much needs to be removed: Yeah that's my picture. I cut one "ring" off but as it actually was resting on it, I think both "rings" could be cut off. And leave that last rubberblock as bumpstop. (Or else, leaving very short free travel) The Bilstein's have much longer cylinders than Fiat's. I'm surprised so many are riding around ON RUBBER SUSPENSION, complaining about harsh ride.. Still Mario, not as harsh as hitting a speed bump WITHOUT bumpstops of course! Re-Bangled

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213060 11/05/2011 14:22 11/05/2011 14:22
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente
MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford	Brilliant So who has some bump stops they want to give me or sell to me? I can pick them up this evening if its not far? Proud Owner of Rosso Speed LE041

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213068 11/05/2011 14:34 11/05/2011 14:34
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente
MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford	Also do you think i could have caused any damage to the shocks/top mounts? It only happend a few times... Proud Owner of Rosso Speed LE041

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213082 11/05/2011 15:02 11/05/2011 15:02
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente
MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford	The ones in marcos photo look like they will be the correct size considering the standard ones are cut down Proud Owner of Rosso Speed LE041

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213095 11/05/2011 15:28 11/05/2011 15:28
P pendy Unregistered
pendy Unregistered P	Might be worth speaking to Joe at CC Mario. When he fitted the billie/eibachs to my le I think he mentioned the need for different bumpstops, which he sorted for me. Not sure, but they might have been bilstein bumpstops.

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213110 11/05/2011 15:42 11/05/2011 15:42
D duncan78 Unregistered
duncan78 Unregistered D	Interesting point about the OEM bump-stops being cut down. I don't think mine were cut down by the garage. I wasn't sure whether the ride quality was meant to be that hard, so I met up with a fellow Coop owner (OO7) who bought and fitted a Eibach/Billie set at the same time I did to see if the ride quality was the same on his car.... to which it was. I shall have to find out whether Chris cut his bump stops, I think he might have got Motormech to fit his edit: Going through my Personal Messages, this is what Chris said: Yes I got new Fiat rear bump stops fitted. Funny enough I was reading about some people trim the rear stops when fitting the Eibachs but ASAIK Motormech didn't do this. However I'm not convinced this is a major problem as the rear feels as firm as the front when driving on 'normal' roads. The bump stop would only come into play if the car came down heavy on the shocks, like if you went over the crest of a hill and got a little air. I'm starting to get used to it, or maybe it settling down. My main issue it the rattling form the interior which I think when fixed will oddly make the car feel a lot better as every shape jolt in the car wont be exaggerated by the sound of an explosion in the cab. Last edited by duncan78; 11/05/2011 15:58. Reason: Update

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213124 11/05/2011 15:57 11/05/2011 15:57
M Marco20valveT Unregistered
Marco20valveT Unregistered M	Originally Posted By: MarioCirillo Brilliant So who has some bump stops they want to give me or sell to me? I can pick them up this evening if its not far? PM SENT Originally Posted By: MarioCirillo Also do you think i could have caused any damage to the shocks/top mounts? It only happend a few times... ......you must have trashed them mate, i will swap them over with the knois tonight. cant have you on buggered shocks...

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213126 11/05/2011 15:59 11/05/2011 15:59
D duncan78 Unregistered
duncan78 Unregistered D	Marco, you really think the Shocks will have been trashed

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213127 11/05/2011 16:02 11/05/2011 16:02
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente
MarioCirillo OP Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,643 Watford	no he is trying to be funny... and thus implying that i give him my new shocks! Proud Owner of Rosso Speed LE041

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: MarioCirillo] #1213129 11/05/2011 16:07 11/05/2011 16:07
D duncan78 Unregistered
duncan78 Unregistered D	Cheeky Git! There was me feeling guilty that I sold them on and now they're trashed.

Re: Billies and Eibach - Help [Re: ] #1213131 11/05/2011 16:15 11/05/2011 16:15
M Marco20valveT Unregistered
Marco20valveT Unregistered M	Originally Posted By: duncan78 Cheeky Git! There was me feeling guilty that I sold them on and now they're trashed. LMFAO!! since when do i get taken serious on here LMFAO!!! has the world stopped moving??

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