Ha ha I was just getting that- but thanks Stan;)

Do your own dirty work....

Point being that as I remember the listing pointed out the fact that the manifolds were not proven items and were sold as cheap chearful replacements.

The company I dealt with went bust or stopped trading. The company which is supplying the manifolds now was subcontracting the work from my supplier. All very complicated but all truth.

mouthaan can confirm this if you contact him or maybe he will add something.

Paul

Utter lies, i would never have bought something from ebay with that written in the description. No i remember quite clearly you bigged it up car salesman style!

Paul if you want to appear innocent it's quite simple- give all the details you have and i will do the rest. I'm not interested in what someone else says about something it's all opinion and nonsense.
I really can't work out why you won't give us all the details you have (in a private message if you prefer).
It's so weird that you blame them and now won't hand over the info. Do you realise how guilty you make yourself sound?

Not quite what you said...



By your own admission, you have set people's expectations that it is an equivalent to an OE manifold

I have pulled it out of the archive and placed it here;

http://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1269208#Post1269208

This was the first 20vt manifold sales thread that you posted.

The only thing I can find mentioned about the quality of the manifolds in your original 'SS exhaust manifold thread' is this....

I wish to keep my supply chain to myself, nothing shady to it.
Manifolds crack, mine, Fiat ones, repaired ones, expensive ones, cheap ones. That's the crooks of it, nothing more than that. You could quite easily of bought a brand new Fiat one for £500 plus and if it cracked after a week of fitting it yourself they would not replace it!

I've sent you the 3 invoices for your recent purchases on ebay ;-) if you could hurry up and make payment that would be great as I'm skint at the moment.

Paul

Lol. The standard manifold is one of the BEST OE manifolds out there.

Please read posts
#1269215 - 15/12/2008 14:22
#1269216 - 15/12/2008 14:27

I would say I was quite clear in saying they are not proven

Can we call an end to this now maybe?

Paul

quote 'They are not a performance upgrade only a cheaper nicer looking replacement. The reason to use one would be because they do not crack like the standard ones have been doing.' quote

one of your selling points

there needs to be some apportioning of blame here, selling crappy goods really isn't on but come on folks stainless steel manifolds for £200, if it sounds to good to be true it probably is, however that's no excuse for selling crappy products

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Unable to offer one because I've not had them on a car to test over a period of time. The 16vt ones I did have had not one issue with cracking though and I've sold 100 of them over the last year!

Might be able to do a 1 year warranty but this would take price up...

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Unable to offer one because I've not had them on a car to test over a period of time. The 16vt ones I did have had not one issue with cracking though and I've sold 100 of them over the last year!

Might be able to do a 1 year warranty but this would take price up...

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Paul

I'm going pub

Sorry if some of you feel I've done wrong but quite clearly I was as up front as I could be.

Paul

If anybody want's a quality manifold made then i suggest you look no further than here. http://www.ojzengineering.co.uk/page.php?page=100

"Your" manifolds aren't cracking - the welds are failing due to poor workmanship - its very different (although the end result is the same).

The other difference is that as already mentioned, Fiat replaced a lot of manifolds when it became obvious that the original design was flawed.




Don't be soft - of course they would replace it, as long as it was not obviously damaged when it was fitted (which would be pretty difficult)





Sorry to hear that



Hmm - not THAT skint then

....uumm

Obviously you are lying or insane now because what possible reason would you have for not wanting to give out the details of a business that is no longer doing business!!!!!
There is no supply chain- the supply chain is dead!! You must be the only person in the world that assumes everyone else is an idiot!
As i said shady and it gets shadier by the minute.

So if you have 3 invoices you must have 3 Ferrari 355 exhausts to sell? Yet in the listing you definitely are talking about one specific exhaust- from your current listing:
"I don't know much about the part in question but can say it is in very good condition. I purchased quite a while ago with a view to having them made in China but just never got around to it.."
Hmm, no doubt there would have been some unhappy ferrari owners if that had worked out, eh!
The fact is i'll pay for the one Ferrari 355 exhaust that you can sell, if you have 3 i'll take all 3.
On the condition you refund me in full for the piece of rubbish you designed, had produced and sold to me that makes fiats look like a work of art. Sounds pretty fair to me!
As another point i did not read the orignal post you wrote until sometime after i bought it on ebay. For me i bought it just based on the listing, which i am trying to get ebay to dig out.

"Manifolds crack......." imagine for a second you had a house made- your dream home, but the cheap builder used poor quality mortar and then that mortar started to crack and your house started to leak and then became unstable to live in. The builder did not meet the minimum standard expected (building regs), therefore there is a comeback for the owner- the builder/contractor is expected to rectify the issues. In the same way the the sale of goods act expects you to sell a product of a minimum standard regardless of it's price. You sold it as brand new on ebay as the maker/wholesaler (whatever you call yourself) and so you are fully liable if it can be proven to have a design fault. It can and has been proven. That's the crook's of it!

Just as you continue to be.....

I'm not sure how you think a quality manifold can be supplied for the price Paul sold them AND be made in the UK. I would suggest an informed consumer would soon realise the origin, a dose of common sense if you like. Sometimes the lesson is hard and it's easy to be a victim of an inferior product but put it down to experience and take it on the chin. I can think of several far bigger mistakes I've made so understand your frustration but for a poxy cheap tuning part it's not worth the hassle. Though, if you do figure out how to squeeze blood out of a stone, shoot me a PM of how you do it

I see your point and i don't intend to give my life over to this.
However, I think it is worth the hassle to at least hassle him- if no one got hassle for anything they did then- well this would be a much easier thing to sort out probably, but there are consequences (better to have some consequence than none at all IMO). Lets face it, Paul won't lose much sleep over it , will he, i vent some anger in his direction and he gets loads of unwanted takeaways- everyone wins!
And it sounds like you're saying there's no such thing as a bargain, which i completely disagree on. I want all the info at point of sale- there's no common sense about it.

Nice thread.

But indeed poor workmanship seems to be the flaw here. I think that with this layout it would crack eventually anyway, but so will almost all others, especially when cars are taken to drag/trackdays and the mani's get some real punishment.



Asian made manifolds can be made quite decent actually, it just depends where you have them made. Ofcourse you will never get the ojz/burns etc. quality.

Is there now an need for decent asain manifolds .

Just kidding, merry christmas.

Regards,

Remco

Back from the pub :-)
Have eBay contacted you yet?
Paul

No, you?

Give it up you have nothing to come back to me for. I should a manifold on eBay with no warrantee which you gave positive feedback for.
2 years later it fails and you want a full refund! Seriously get a life and wake up to the world you live in.
I never at any point sold manifolds with the intention to deceive people, they were sold to help people. Sadly a test of time has shown faults on a few manifolds.

Still the total number of failed manifolds is below 10 which is possibly 1% of the total number sold around the world (not just me selling)

I can supply a equal length manifold if you are untested? Not proven but could be good.

Paul

Happy Christmas everyone! I have a standard manifold, it's been on since I bought the car several years ago, no cracks, no problems.

Perhaps this informative thread could steer clear of veiled threats. I'm not looking to join in an argument, just thinking of people's well being.

Not on this forum you can't! Your selling permissions were withdrawn a while ago.

I guess not that skintight that I can't afford £5 for a couple of pints sorry for THAT

Not sure what your vested interest is in this thread but I'm sure at some point it will become apparent.

Paul