It's all over. He's blew his head off!

Not actually confirmed yet Matt

Gunshot wound to Moat and receiving treatment.

Breaking news! he is receiving treatment for a gunshot wound - so could well be alive.

Go to Google maps and type in Raoul Moat

He's dead.

Theresa - shouldn't you be at work?

No, lol, only my work on here

Work is only until midnight, my real work begins after that, on here, bringing you the latest news

It took the BBC until 3.17am to report his death.

I'm watching Sky news, which always seems to be better than BBC for stuff like this.

Oh don't start him on the BBC

For a value of better = more willing to report gossip as news.

Interesting that last night, his mate went through the Police cordon, and came out saying he's got no bullets left.

I wonder if this was part of the ruse to be able to get in another shot at a copper before he departed?

Better off that he is dead rather than costing us, the taxpayer, £38k a year to keep him in prison.

Will probably cost us £200k now for public inquiries into whether he should have been released in the first place, whether Police should have responded to warnings that he was going to harm his ex, the speed of the Police response, and whether steroid/shotguns should be banned.

They won't ban Shotguns, to many liveliehoods depend on it. As for Steroids, they're already banned. As for the cost, must have ran into millions? They had a Tornado out there looking for him, helicopters, 14 different police forces and god knows what else

The issue you have is a multiple set of problems:

The number of prisoners leaving the system make threats, for obvious reasons (no-one is happy getting caught). The system is in place to try and filter the angry from the determined, and from experience it works "most of the time".

He was serving a short sentence, therefore didn't require supervision by the probation service (who are already over-stretched).

I know you're just suggesting headings for an inquiry and not having a go, and I'm sure there will be many inquiries now: hot debrief/cold debrief, IPCC possibly, internal inquiry, possibly led by an external chief constable or similar rank.

Lessons will be learned, but the question is, will we remember them in twenty or thirty years time *if and when* this type of incident happens again?

There are issues that concern me, but I'll keep those to myself, my pension is too precious to risk, but yes, I think some questions need to be asked and the true answers supplied......

His possession of the shotgun was illegal and therefore already banned .....[/debate]

I can well imagine you have plenty to say on this matter stan. But as you've said, best kept under your helmet.

I find it shocking that a man is capable of planning over time what he did and the fact a suspision of a cheating g/f could drive him to the lengths he went to...

Has history taught you nothing

do you think the guy with the taser is a little cheesed of with all the flash photography!? SMILE

Moat's claimed another victim, a little later than planned

Clicky

I am gutted, That guy was a hero. Just goes to show the power of love, His wife and him split, surely then leading to depression & then this.

That's pretty sad.

Why don't they say in the report how he died?

I assume it was suicide, but it might have been a genuine accident relating to his blindness, such as he electrocuted himself.