Humans can't get along with each other........as if aliens are going to be made to feel welcomed.

I wonder what racists think of aliens?

He's barrrrrred

They come over here, taking our cattle mutilation and crop circle jobs, doing it for less than 'alf the price. No wonder I can't get a bloody job. Bloody Marties. They all ought to be shipped off back 'ome.

Why can't they mutilate the crops and make cattle circles?

I dunno, they come here swanning around, wearing their funny space clothes, with their own (physics) laws, thinking they can change mass with superconducting plasma. If they wanna be here they should conform to our physics and try to fit in instead of having large heads and larger eyes. If they don't like it they can bugger off back.

Because McDonalds already does that.

Coming over here, probing our bottoms. It's the dyslexic ones I hate, damn FUOs.

I think alien visitors would be good for racism - to paraphrase Pratchett, it would give white and black a chance to settle their differences and gang up on green.

Was it Regan that said as much?

My favourite of all time

Little known fact - T's ass can be seen from outer space

My ass is the earth

That explains the grand canyon.

Here is some extaordinary physical evidence that no one can
question thanks to the work of the disclosure project.

I present to you DR Leir and Dr Moser. Dr Leir is a Surgeon specialized in removing Alien Implants here is his credentials http://www.theblackvault.com/wiki/index.php/Roger_Leir

And Dr Moser a specilist in material science analyis,
together they removed and tested the implants with amazing unqestionable scientific proof!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bxrwAmVznU

Also the technolgy shown on the implants could provide medical breakthoughs in any transplant here is the article regarding that.

http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-phoenix/key-to-obama-health-plan-blocked-by-ufo-truth-embargo

So Andrew try to logicaly explain this one.

I'll have a debunk, since some of it falls in my territory (my current day job is designing ultra-low power monitoring and reporting systems that in my case work three miles underground) - I'll ignore the fact that he doesn't seem to have one to hand in spite of having apparently extracted several: WHERE ARE THEY?; and I'll further ignore the logical impossibility of three million Americans going missing and not realising it without hypnotic regression - shown to induce the very memories it claims to expose.

Nope, I'm going to have a go at the radio frequency transmitter. These devices are described as 'microscopic' - shall we say, for argument's sake, a millimetre in maximum dimension? And yet they are claimed also to emit radio energy at 9Hz in the hundred milliwatt range.

Three points spring immediately to mind.

The first is that of power density... 100mW in 1mm^3 of water will cause its temperature to rise at 2C per second. Every other substance, except liquid lithium at 180C or so, has a lower specific heat and will heat up more quickly. Your victim is going to be suffering severe internal burns in short order.

The second point is related to this: there is only one way in which you can radiate heat to your surroundings and that's to be hotter than them. We've established that the implants are soon going to be hotter than the patient, in a matter of minutes; now he has the problem of getting rid of the heat and the human body soft tissue heats up about twenty percent faster than water. Once again, your patient is in trouble, though he *may* depending on cooling to e.g. blood or breath be able to manage this heat load.

The final point is one of radiation efficiency. For good coupling for a radio signal it is necessary that an antenna of approximately 1/4 of the wavelength is used at the transmitter and the receiver. The range of a signal is proportional to the insertion loss to the antenna, the height of the signal above the ground, and the frequency. Low frequencies carry very well - but they have a bandwidth of somewhat under half their frequency, in general terms (I won't go into, e.g. constellation coding, because that requires high signal to noise signals).

The problem is that the insertion loss of 9Hz from a 1mm antenna is *immense* - hundreds or thousands of dB. You would simply be unable to detect a 9Hz signal from an aerial that size at any significant range (we use about the same power at 35kHz or so, with a range of under 15 metres and with much larger antennas).

So looked at bluntly - we have a thing we can't see that gets too hot to survive in the body that transmits a signal we can't hear.

Not yet convinced, I'm afraid.

(As an aside on the reliability of professional qualifications, I invite the reader to consider the case of ex-Dr Andrew Wakefield. He was *convinced* that MMR caused autism...)

Barnacle - That explaination you have give although detailed doesnt answer what they are.

The actual process employed by DR Leir is only to accept patients who can remember abduction without the need for hypnosis to remember as that can be flawed.

The patient then describes an implant inserted into their body and is checked via xray,cat scan etc, Then removed. What is remarkable in the first instance no sign of entry into the body at all and no internal rejection to the foreign object due to its unique outer membrane possibly adapted from the patients own dna. That in itself is beyond our current medical advancement.

The devices only seem to transmit when inside the body upon removal they shut down that would suggest energy source from the body again this technolgy is not mankinds making.

Thirdly to have the devices analyzied to be consturcted of carbon nano tubes which is way ahead of todays tech along with this the isotopic ratios differentials between terestrial and non terestrial.

All this together is 100% scientific proven effidence of non terestrial bio electrial implant.

Backing up both Dr leir & Dr Moser is Prof Robert W. Koontz, The worlds top expert on nano carbon fabrication, with world class credentials http://www.doctorkoontz.com/bio/Deep_Background/index.htm

he directly qoutes



That is simply as good as it gets for material physical evidence in ufolgy what we are dealing with here is a level of technolgy years ahead of today.

To challange it you have to come back and theroise what the implants are or any explaination?

Barncale try not to use the term debunk as generally that would mean you would not evaluate evidence properly before making a pre determined judgement.

Also think logically as mankind do this to animals to keep track of where they are what habits etc. Would an ET race much more advanced than ourselfs not class us as animals, just a thought?

Can I just add in the full pdf file of the technical annalysis breakdown of one of the implants tested.

http://www.doctorkoontz.com/Scalar_Physics/Implantee%20John%20Smith/Analysis%20of%20Object%20Taken%20from%20Patient%20John%20Smith(v4).pdf

I think even you barnacle with your impressive knowledge would struggle to grasp the full detail of this. But its as scientific as you could emagine.

He then concludes that this implant came from a civilization that began its stellar evolution roughly 100 million years in advance of ours. http://www.doctorkoontz.com/Scalar_Physics/Implantee%20John%20Smith/index.htm


Way above my understanding

enjoy lol

I'm not debunking here, merely going to point out that *we* already have that technology/ability in current medicine. It is used in long-term female contraception; a small cylinder containing slow-release hormones is injected subcutaneously without any long term physical sign of an injection site, nor of any rejection by the body.

My first thought was that some poor bloke "John Smith" (not his real name) was unlucky enough to be struck by a small meteorite. It's odd how the original statement that it was emitting radio frequency radiation turns into 'radio signals'. A signal is an item of transmitted information. There is no evidence in this paper that the radio frequency radiation was a signal.

Here's his website: http://www.doctorkoontz.com/ He's got links to Hutchison on it (complete fake).

Look at the first two photos here: http://www.doctorkoontz.com/UFOs/index.htm

I was trying to locate the second photo within the first one, but is seems to be impossible. How can it be a 'blow-up', then? Ah! Got it. The third picture is a blow-up of the first. He has three pictures to juggle with and gets them in the wrong order.

This looks very fishy too. Free energy. http://www.doctorkoontz.com/Scalar_Physics/Energy/index.htm

What suprises me is that a race which is 100 million years older than us is still using Carbon Nanotubes!

It's perfectly feasible. The ability to grow a light weight structure which can handle uni directional loading.

If there is this civilisation out there they may use the structure but the way they create it could be beyond our understanding. Much in the same way we still use alloys.

Jonny, could you elaborate upon your statement of carbon nano tubes being ahead of todays tech? I'm not sure I understand how.

Y'know, reading that pdf, you'd think almost that the author was *expecting* an alien device rather than conducting an impartial examination with an open mind.

[1] Let's see... we begin with a patient who has a history of claims of alien abduction and tracking.
- (a) he's been repeatedly abducted and tracked by aliens, or
- (b) he's deluded

[2] He presents with a painful toe exhibiting classic foreign-body rejection symptoms (reddening of the area, pain) and visible breaks in the skin.
- (a) he's had an alien nanotechnology device engineered to avoid rejection implanted in his skin, or
- (b) he's walked on something sharp in his bare feet and got a splinter.

[3] Gaussmeter, and radio frequency analyzer (RF) tests were done on the object, on August 21, 2008, by Dr. Leir, at his Thousand Oaks office, while it was still in Mr. Smith’s body. These tests indicated that the object was emitting radio waves in the Gigahertz (1.2GHz), Megahertz (110MHz and 17 MHz), and Extremely Low Frequency (ELF, 8Hz) bands. The object also generated a magnetic field of > 10 mGauss.
No indication is given of the strength of the signals, of the protocol used to measure it and isolate it from external interference, or indeed whether the tests were repeated once the object(s) had been removed from the patient. It should be noted that ELF radio receivers are items with large aerials, generally used to monitor radio noise from the Aurora and other solar wind effects; it's also used in that band to communicate with submarines underwater - the transmitters are *huge* (tens of miles long) and highly powerful. 17MHz and 110MHz are used worldwide for consumer broadcast signals; 1.2GHz is used for aeronautical navigation.
- (a) the object was emitting these signals, in spite of problems of antenna coupling discussed in a previous post
- (b) the investigator was receiving terrestrial transmissions.

[4] The object is removed. It's apparently brittle, because in the process it breaks into twelve pieces. It is claimed that in storage the parts attempt to recombine, but there are no images of all the parts separated nor of the process of recombination.
- (a) the object(s) behaved as described, but the investigator chose not to make images, or
- (b) the object(s) moved within a fluid suspension due either to residual motion of the suspension material or Brownian motion, but the investigator preferred to believe that they were doing it on their own.

[5] The object has the appearance of a piece of terrestrial or meteoric iron fragment (you can collect these latter all over; just run a magnet through a gutter and you'll get a collection of ferromagnetic grit, some of which will be micrometeorites) or, dare I say it, a flake of rust.
- (a) it's an alien technological device, cunningly designed and fabricated to look like a flake of rust, or
- (b) it's a flake of rust

[6] On high-magnification images, fine-scale structure is observed. It is claimed that they are nanofibres. For comparison, carbon nanotubes are shown, at a different magnification. It is also observed that 'highly regular crystals' are visible. Orientation and position of both the nanostructures and the crystals appear to be random, and the investigator makes no attempt to show structural connectivity. He does, however, use significantly different magnifications in his illustrations with no reference to which part of the lower-powered images the higher-magnification parts represent.
- (a) alien technology is being used to disguise something as a flake of rust-like mineral with crystals in it, or
- (b) it's a flake of rust-like mineral with crystals in it.

[7] The object is observed to contain carbon, oxygen, iron, nickel, and silicon - mostly iron. Much as does a flake of rust...
- (a) it's alien technology cunningly disguised as rust, or
- (b) it's a flake of rust, perhaps a steel alloy.

[8] Close examinations of the crystals show high concentrations of sodium and chlorine.
- (a) alien technology has incorporated common salt into a mineral, or
- (b) natural processes have incorporated common salt into a mineral.

[9] Discussion: The iron/nickel metal matrix which made up the majority of the sample which was analyzed bore a strong resemblance to an iron-nickel meteorite. (from page 32)
- (a) it's alien technology, disguised to look like a common iron-nickel meteorite, or
- (b) it's a fragment of common iron-nickel meteorite.

[10] The investigator then leaps from wide-eyed anticipation to the realm of fantasy.
- e.g. ceramic-like material on the outside of the object - the first mention of it and with no analysis of what this material is - must be alien technology since ceramics are slightly soluble in molten steel.
- e.g. boron isotopes are of a previously unseen ratio, therefore they came from the centre of the galaxy, therefore alien. Well, materials can go a long way in 13 billion years; but it should be noted that the sun is a population 2 star with a heavier concentration of heavy elements than the majority of (population 1) stars.
- e.g. random inclusions within the object are claimed without evidence to be indications of electronic circuitry, with no evidence of a regular structure such as is *required* for complex semiconductor devices and no apparent method of powering it.
- e.g. it is *probably* beyond terrestrial technology to make, unless there are 'black' programmes working on it... ignoring that we currently have the ability to place individual atoms on a substrate, and to view those atoms - therefore it must be alien (because it couldn't be natural, right?)

Throughout the paper, the author uses the phrase 'phase' when he means 'material'. The 'phase' of a material specifically refers to whether it is solid, liquid, gaseous, or plasma and has nothing to do with the sort of material. I can't decide whether he's doing this in an effort to confuse or simply because he doesn't know what he's talking about.

He claims that the present of inclusions of 'unusual' shapes - such as might be found when a liquid flows between the particles of an aggregate - are suggestive of manufacture. He further claims that the radio emissions observed earlier indicate that it was a manufactured object deliberately inserted, and that it was there somehow able to monitor the patient's state of mind and control it.

I do wonder: The aliens have apparently had many years to observe both remotely and physically; they would surely be aware that something indistinguishable from rusty meteoric iron is likely to cause irritation in the subject when inserted. As they have chosen not to reveal themselves, why would they choose to use a tool almost guaranteed to be found, rather than one coated in, say, an inert metal. Note that humans have had the ability for years to make implanted medical devices which remain in the body for several years without issue.

I put it to you that in every case that I mentioned above, and others I have not troubled to enumerate, that the probability of the 'b' answer is far more likely than the 'a' answer which has been assumed throughout by the investigator.

Good analysis Mr Barnacle, and all I can say is that if I walked into a court and presented evidence in such a fashion the defence would be calling into question my impartiality and, possibly, motives.....

With regards to the frequencies monitored, as you say, at no point do they state how they isolated the patient from medical equipment, communications equipment, or even consumer electronics.

It does baffle me as to why someone who presented with a foreign body in their body would be scanned in such a fashion, trust me, that isn't standard practice in A&E departments!

It puts me in mind of that famous incident where they believed they had found evidence of a signal from space that kept on transmitting at a set time each day.........until it was discovered to be a fellow scientist cooking his dinner in the microwave oven next door!

That was Mrs Stan trying to get you out of bed - you just chose to believe otherwise.

Another thought - if you want to control someone's mind, why would you put the controller in their toe, about as far away as you can get?

The whole paper reads *wrongly*. He has perfected the art of bafflegab, and listed a number of observations, and in every case he has deduced a far more unlikely reason for them than that they are simply natural processes.

What's the difference between these two statements:

(1) I never see the government agents who are watching me, so they must be very good agents, proving that they are there.
(2) This shows every indication of being and object of natural origin, which we can't create ourselves, therefore it must be alien.

I have not read the pdf referred to Barnacle, but he could be using "phase" in the sense of describing (for example) the distribution of (if I recall my materials science lectures from *cough* years ago) FeC, Fe3C and C in steel, rather than the solid/liquid/gas etc.

I may be completely missing the point though.

He refers to 'metallic' phase material and 'non-metallic' phase material. My feeling is that the word 'phase' has been introduced just because it sounds good.

It really IS just a game of bullshit bingo then.

Superconducting - Check
Plasma - Check
Phase -Check
Carbon Nanotubes - Check

One more and someone wins big!