Also agree with Sean. Plenty more moot points on the squad, aside from the Ferdinand omission

It is clear we lack pace on the flanks and incisiveness.

1 - Where is Micah Richards. Englands best full back bar none, and Kelly gets the nod ahead of him?
2 - Peter Crouch
3 - Adam Johnson
4 - Paul Scholes, did Hodgson not try to convince him?
5 - Can ANYONE say why Glenn Johnson is even in the squad?!?
6 - Ashley Young, "needs more meat pies Ashley" more like. Reminds me of a winger we had at Brighton a few moons ago, who'd trip over a blade of grass and the wind would blow him over Fairy as my old man would say
7 - I find mysel
8 - Henderson. I find myself agreeing with Joey Barton for christs sake!!
9 - Jack Buckland? Really? Why waste a place on him, would have taken another outfield player. Rumour has it Parker can play equally capably in goal!
10 - John Terry - would not have made it for me on so many levels
11 - Stuart Downing UTTER tripe, wouldn't strike fear into a Sunday league team!!
12 - No Jack Rodwell?
13 - No Daniel Sturridge?
14 - No Kyle Walker?

And that little lot took me 5 minutes to rant through.

You mean aside from the fact he has been our best defender in both games? Saved England's blushes on several occasions already in just 2 games. You must have missed the bit last night for example when Zlatan was running past Ashley Cole, Johnson overtook the pair of them and put in a perfectly timed tackle.

I wouldnt pick Crouch, Johnson or Rodwell I'd take sturridge & Walker though.

Glad you're not the England manager Dan, if you would be willing to go into a press conference and say, "i didnt pick a no3 keeper becuase if it gets that bad, Scotty Parker's up for a laugh."

Pfft, that's only caused by the deficiencies in most of the other back 4.

I've never thought of Ashley Cole to be anywhere near the best full back in the world. Quite how he's earned that escapes me. So Johnson covered his ass when he was out of position.

I'd have started with Leighton Baines / Lescott / Ferdinand and Richards.

As for Johnson being picked on his offensive merits

Oh that's good, it deserves another

He can't cross for toffee, nor beat a player, and is so fluid on the ball it goes through his own feet! Richards or Walker would be way ahead. He seems to be in the side on the strength of his one 25 yard left footed screamer a season he scores. Stats don't lie - and Richards and Walker are way ahead of him. Shame the current incumbent of the England managers role can't see it

I'm with Truff on this Dan, Richards is no more than a muscle-bound donkey - if we needed speed we could have taken Linford Christie. There were two world-class crosses by England last night, one by Gerrard from which we scored and one by Johnson form which the horrible Terry should have scored. He didn't have his best game, but his lesser games are still better than Richards. Ferdinand? He's a liability in terms of injury and ball distribution now, he is way too slow.

I've forgotten the rest of what i was going to say

Brilliant .waited all my life for us to beat Sweden.

- Micah Richards has an attention span worse than Mumbles Ferdinand, Citeh ended the season playing Zabaletta as right back.
- Sir Peter Crouch has been great, but if its between Carroll or Crouch, you have to go with the new blood. And that was vindicated last night.
- If Adam Johnson wanted to play for England he shouldn't have followed the money to sit on the Citeh bench.
- Paul Scholes isn't the future.
- Glenn Johnson is a bit of an easy target. He has got a reputation of being a liability as a defender, and although he was at fault for one goal, he was also there to stop a few. Did well last night I thought, maybe his best England game.
- Jack Buckland is really just along for the experience, if it wasn't for Ruddy breaking his finger he'd be on the beach
- Sturridge plays a similar game to Welbeck and with Rooney and Young likely starters it makes sense to take Welbeck
- Rodwell and Walker are both injured

The rest I agree with. We just have to accept we're a second rate national team.

Yes, unfortunately this is true. Where is the flair, or passing control of some of the other teams? We're just not expansive or adventurous in any way

Oh and Buckland is a fine young keeper with a great future in front of him once he is established. He's Birmingham's young prospect, we're known for it.......unfortunately for us we need to play with more than 1 keeper

It wasn't even called Sweden when you were born.....

Maybe Roy could have tried to recruit Arteta - who is eligible - at least then we'd have someone who could get past a player.

BBC live text.

They were going on about this in the commentary studio at the time, but I couldn't see what they were going on about. The Greek guy quite clearly just ran into the leg of the Russian, who didn't do anything. He just happened to have his leg in the wrong place for the Greek.

Have I misunderstood something?

The commentators think they're watching Greece versus Man Utd. Happens all the time.

Can we make the words John Terry ( makes me shiver ) appear as or bawbag liar.

couldn't agree more, this gets my vote

well.. tonights Italys deciding match agaist Ireland..

we need to win 2-0 and spain need to draw 1-1 so we can get into the next round (where no doubt we will get knocked out)

but whats making it interesting is that we "COULD" finish 2nd in the group...

and england can possibly top there group...

you all know what thats means

so, what do poeple think will happen this evening with the games?

peoples score's on the doors please?

im saying...
Italy to win 3-0
Spain draw 1-1

Ireland getting another thrashing tonight before they are sent home in shame . By far the worst team in the euros and i will not be watching it . However i would like them to beat italy .

A.B.E



But seriously, because it hasn't been over-hyped this time round I'm actually hoping the youngsters in the English squad do well; there is a good bubble of talent welling up there and they need some confidence boosting some more international experience so good luck to them!

Spain 3 - 1 England

Just tell the Spanish that if they win tonight we'll vote for them to host future tournaments, that'll stop 'em!

Scotland should try and host a tournament in the future.

It'll be the only way they'll ever get to play in any finals.

<finger hovers over BAN button>




I couldn't believe it when I saw a Scottish flag at one of the games the other night! I'm assuming they were supporting one of the officials?

why?

Why what ?????????

why do you want Ireland to beat italy???????????

Well they have not won anything yet . I generally support the home countries first before i move on to the continent and i was born there ?

Oh, sorry, i assumed you where english!!



Sorry mate

i feel bad for ireland as they have taken a beating in the Euro.. if they beat italy (which to be honest, its not impossible becasue we play sh*t) it would be a great achievment

game on for 7:45

My prediction is there'll be loads of Italian supporters claiming their team will now beat everyone in the world forever based on beating Ireland 2-0......

However Croatia and Spain will progress to the next stage and the Italians will take a slow boat home to a broken sporting public nursing their broken economy...

I also predict some puny wimp responds to this post in a rabid, uncontrolled and badly spelled string of threats and abuse - any takers on who this may be?

No problem hope the best team wins (i wont bother keeping my fingers cross ) .

Hey... At least I'm not bald.
Or fat
Or unable to find my pen*s
Or unable to wash certain areas due to my large size
Or need a Crain to get in and out of bed

Don't hate Italians balldy!!

Same lol I hope we get spanked. We deserve it.