The latter.

Unfortunately the same outcome for the first.

To some extent, true... but what fails on one car is likely to have failed on another and perhaps particularly so when the car being scrapped is dead of old age rather than, say, impact damage.

Why the heck are we going over all this again?

The loss of the breaking was via a vote at the AGM but it wasn't really as simple as that. I am usure how the section could have survived with introduction the new selling rules that also came from that AGM. I personally feel the loss of the section was inevitable.

FACT
Some people used FCCUK to steal a good deal of money from FCCUK club members. This was not a singular isolated incident, nor was it just one or two bad apples causing problems. The issues were frequent and took up a great deal of time from the club admin and moderator teams trying to sort it out. It's not nice to be telling people, many who I consider friends, that they have been ripped off on FCCUK and there there is nothing, I or the club could do to get their money back

Unfortunately there are quite a few CLUB MEMBERS who never got their money back, to them the FCCUK selling section will always be the place they cam and got ripped off

Forgive me therefore for not giving any creedence to the bleeding heart sellers who wish to break their Coupés and sell them through an open breaking post on the FCCUK forum. If people want to sell stuff on FCCUK then they follow the selling rules and sell all the items they want. If sellers want to start bidding wars or place parts as "Open to Offers" then they can use a place that is set up to cater for such sales - Ebay.

It is regrettable that we all have lost the free and open selling that FCCUK used to enjoy. Unfortunately not everyone using FCCUK is as honourable as we all would like. The club therefore owe it to us all not to make it easy for these people to pick our pockets with ease.

I can't be 100% sure but I don't recall a single selling issue involving a loss of money for any member whilst the new rules have been in place.

Nice agressive sounding post above there.
I've been in and out of Coupe ownership for years and was merely asking the question, its not a 'bleeding heart' story as you so elequently put it.
And this is a discussion forum where people are free to discuss is it not?.
I was merely pointing out that if a breaking section was subject to the same rules as the rest of the classifieds then i personally don't see what the difference is, I've been an admin/mod on Forums (edition38) over the years some of which have also had there own problems with shadey sellers also but its not the individual classified areas that are the problem, its the individuals that are selling the stuff and from what i can see you have already put measures in place to prevent this??.
And im talking about private individuals breaking their own cars on here unlike traders who are buying cars for that very reason, there is a big difference.
In my case i bought a car to use as my daily driver that was mis-described in terms of its engine condition and it was a risk i took, i haven't got £2 grand for an engine rebuild unlike some.
As such there are plenty of bits im not even going to list seperately on here or ebay, it will either be given away if someone wants the remains or it will get weighed in.
Im only after what it owes me as i have bought another Coupe..
Its your forum to police as you see fit but i find the attitude on here towards certain topics and therefore forum member is quite frankly hostile.

tandino there is little point in trying to make a point... unless your 'in' then you'll receive the above in buckets

the point you make is very valid, ie applying current anti scam rules to broader sales, but frankly unless youre 'in' i fear you wont be heard

Rudi i think that's a unfair - this has been debated to death this last year and it's designed to protect both the members and the Fiat Coupé, no more no less. It's not a question of being "in" or "out" or shake it all about and just because you may not like the rules we have that doesn't make them wrong. This has never been about personalities and i'm sure most people can see the sense in the essence of what Bob says.

Although I personally didn't agree with the breaking section being removed, it seems to be for the best. People are still breaking coupes, and selling parts 'from coupes in their possession' through the new section. Some as doing it regularly and some are doing it when the coupe isn't worth saving.

People are still getting the parts they need and the club isn't associated with potentially seen as promoting breaking. Win-win.

Ross

I'm not interested in 'arguing' about the merits or not of a breaking section on the forum, I dont care enough. I just concurred with Tandino and unsurprisingly it had to be suppressed.

Lets just agree to disagree.

So much about this forum is about personalities and this is invariably the problem. There is most certainly an 'in' (not just my opinion), i can only assume that it just cant be seen by some.

Of course, i'm all for safety of members, but breaking of cars continues, albeit listed parts and sellers names.

Rules are applied unevenly, and the perception is that they are flexed for those that are 'in'.



So it hasnt stopped breaking, the only difference is that those that can be bothered listing parts do it....

I'm fully aware of the difficulties of running a forum, but until people start listening nothing will change, it will probably get worse before it gets better.

Good luck anyways

Over and out.

It hasn't stopped breaking, but it has removed an incentive to break working cars with no cost to the breaker for the advertising.

The only 'in' group are the club members; those who have chosen to support the club (and this forum) with their subscriptions and on occasion with direct donations. Of that group the majority are content to continue with the status quo but a minority make a point of attending the yearly AGM and making their voice heard in person (note that it is perfectly permissible to make an issue known to be discussed whether you are present or not).

If you disagree with the decisions made at the AGM, the solution is obvious... but why complain that a free resource is not to your taste?

Agressive, really? I have never shown any agression towards anyone on here and completely refute any allegation to the contrary. I am sure had you been in the position, as have I, of informing members and friends on this forum that they had lost money by buying on fccuk, then perhaps you too would feel the same degree of frustration on this matter as I do. This club came so close to removing ALL selling from it's forum because of past issues. I would have expected someone who, in his own words, has been on the forum for years, would have had a better understanding of those past issues.


Clearly anyone who has something to sell, even if they are breaking, can sell it in classifieds?

The ONLY possible reason I can think for anyone wanting a return of the BREAKING section is so they (The Seller) can try and encourage forum members to contact them and circumvent of all the forum selling measures that the club has introduced. To be fair, judjing by what you have said below, that seems to be exactly what you too are also seeking .

How would putting my contact details, phone number, email address and the mods/admin having my own personal details - ie postcode and address on hand be circumventing the selling criteria that is enforced on the other classified forums?.

If i was advertising a car that i was breaking in a thread on here and had all my personal details listed and requests were made within the thread along with all communication then how would that be anymore risky than selling any other part on here?.
Its certainly not circumventing any buyer protection system is it.
I simply don't have the time to list every single tiny item be it a specific washer or plastic trim clip that someone might be looking for to finish their car off, thats what im trying to highlight

And im sorry but i have detected massive attitude differences on here since i used to frequent this forum a few years ago and not in a good way.
Starting your reply in the way you do is confrontational at best imho.
And yes, as stated i work behind the scene's for 10 years on a forum many times the size of this one, yes we try our best to protect our members and no one likes to see anyone get ripped off but that is not directly the forums fault, we can minimise it and enforce it but ultimately the classifieds and for sale area is a massive part of running old VW's much the same as it is to these very cars and without it you lose a massive resource for just that, keeping the cars alive.
We stress that anyone buying from the forum and handing over large sums of cash to anyone via the internet needs to do so with their eyes wide open and ultimately its their risk.