I wonder what effect, if any, this UK decision will have on Apples worldwide copy claims?

Apple Must Publish Notice Samsung Didn’t Copy IPad in U.K.

I bet the Samsung guys are a happy bunch tonight.

Happy? I'll wager there's a dog Banquet!

The Yanks are predatorily litigious, "buy up our serious competitors, if we csn't surreptitiously libel them by false accusations", or words to that effect. Q.V. Seattle Computer and Microsoft in the very early days, when Microsoft wrote cr@p compilers for a 'living'.

Maybe this'll teach them that the U.K. isn't really the "51st State".

I've just got the Samsung in white and I can see how Apple may think there's some infringement going on. The power cable, for example looks suspiciously similar to Apple's product.

I was always surprised just how similar all the functionality was when the competitors started to come out with touch phones. This decision is only one of many battles - some involving Apple, some not. Apple seem to win about half.

Here is an interesting patent awarded to Apple yesterday. It involves the indicator for showing how far down a page you have scrolled.
Apple patent could spell trouble for Android

Everybody has used that method.... Start of a fresh new series of battles?

I recall previous uses of indicator bars which are not scroll bars to show progress - in one case I wrote myself ten years ago I repainted the window decoration to show a progress status.

iirc the verdict was given that samsung was "not as cool" as the Ipad

I am sure Apple would love to stick that comment on there website

Ninja

Fire up Emjay and go get your millions off Apple !

And Apple wins one today

For a second time Appeals Court refuses to issue stay on injunction against Samsung GALAXY Tab-10.1

Starting to keep tabs now. Looks like Apple will win this one:

Judge says Samsungs case against Apple over 3G is ridiculous

As was expected from a court in the US Don't think it will be the end of this though.

What did they expect? They're in a country where you can patent moving a finger from left to right; the patent system in the states is ridiculous.

If that is true, then the Apple vs Motorola cases might be more hotly contended. However, this week, three of Motorola's patent claims against Apple were thrown out, with the fourth being referred to another court.

Dear Apple and Motorola,

please stop bickering like twelve-year-olds with your "Sir, he copied my homework" nonsense.

Kindly off and make more shiny gadgets we don't need, but sort of want for no good reason.

Yours,

Everyone who doesn't care about how obscenely profitable you are

The way Apple are behaving you would think they invented touch screen technology. They were not even the first manufacturer to place a touch screen on a mobile phone, it could be argued that they coppied others.

I think almost everyone can accept that Apple moved things on massively. But to keep hearing them bleating on that others are copying them just makes them look bad. They are a hugely successful company so why don't they just get on with driving the next innovation. Watching them spend so much trying to protect old ideas just makes them look greedy.

Perhaps with the loss of the founder the business has lost its mojo?

If you know nothing about the situation then I could make Hitler look like a saint to you.

There is only so much science fiction I can see in the forum before reality must come back in I am afraid.

For the first time I have ever known, I have found continual bias or media outlets oblivious of the facts in most of the UK reporting. I must congratulate Google and Samsung they have done a good job or painting their position. Perhaps the media cannot be bothered to spend time looking for the truth when a quick headline will do.

Please stop making these comments. Do any of you even know anything more about this than the headline you have read?

If you did your comments would take a whole new light and meaning.

To see rational and intelligent people posting what they have is worthy of scientific study.

Do yourself a favour and go and read about the case. You won't, but at least pretend. Then look at the outcome and make your own mind up.

I have never seen such arrogant, distasteful behaviour from a company in recent years. With such disregard and contempt for customers and to so unashamedly lie, steal, wholesale copy and attempt to deceive that Samsung has shown.

Three statements of fact to ponder.

Apple attempted on numerous times to avoid court action attempting to reach a settlement in Korea, the US and neutral ground to discuss the matter.

Samsung's own internal paperwork (what was left from what they destroyed before the case) clearly shows wilful violation.

Microsoft licensed the necessary patents from Apple. Samsung licenses the patents from Microsoft. Samsung refused and attempted to use FRAND patenting against Apple.

Now hang on before you go on about bias.

Answering your non-biased 'facts':

1: Yes Both CEO's met several times both before and during the court case, but to say 'unbiasedly' that "Apple tried at every opportunity" is absolute bull! Both parties were unable to reach a compromise. You make it sound like Apple were sitting there at the table begging Samsung to stop any litigation.

Infact it was Apple who brought the case against Samsung in the first place.

By all means.

Apple initiated communication on licensing or cross licensing deals. They provided a full list of infringed patents and visited Samsung to provide detailed information. This started in 2010. They then persuaded this and received no response.

It was then that litigation had to be bought up.

The CEO's meeting was a court mandated requested by Koe.

*I wrote and instinctively posted before re-reading I then cleaned it up.

Apple started the litigation.

They were however bending over backwards to avoid it. Why? Because Samsung are Apple's biggest component supplier and someone Apple did and still doesn't want to fall out with. Court cases are painful and is not something Apple wanted to enter into. However over the last 30 weeks the situation has deteriorated, though an internal power struggle at Samsung between divisions may put an end to this.

This case is what happens when you use a competitors components in your device - Apple used Samsung screens and chips in their products, it could have been a great partnership but hey ho.

Separate divisions, the component usage is very widely spread. I don't think there has ever been claims that pre release hardware information has been used unfairly. However knowing bits of the puzzle earlier help you to know where you need to aim for.

They are not Samsung's SoC's but they are manufactured by them.

For how much longer I don't know. The displays are not so much Samsung and won't be soon I imagine.

You are getting what you asked for. As a consumer the ruling against Samsung directly benefits you with technological innovation and progression. Which will be followed by lower prices as they attempt to compete.

A good example is Windows Mobile. Microsoft saw the progression in the industry (granted once the boat had sailed) and set about innovating. Windows 7 mobile is the result.

Blackberry System 10 may also be the same, if it see's the light of day before RIM close their doors.



Anyone remember the phones on the left?

We'll see how far this gets.

I remeber reading alot of the earlier bits of teh patenet battles but got bored as it seemed a bit of a bad business plan to let such a huge rival have advance notification on what your plans were. Sadly it's all too frequent these days, someone has a good idea and everyone else tries to imitate.
Some of the arguements are a bit weak, the finger wagging one is a good example, but Samsung have been a little under hand.

Well I was a fan of Apple may years ago, had a newton MP120. However they have now become the bully boys of the phone market and doing what MS did to the PC market in the 90s. It may all be legally correct but IMHO it stinks. Would I be proud working for Apple, err no, about as ashamed I was in my brief time at Sky.

As for Saint Jobs, nice man

So they switched from Windows Mobile to Android? And?

It would be better to remove them completely I agree. But different divisions coupled with Samsung being one of the major manufacturers make it far more difficult.

That is the beauty of the patent system (one of very few good points) once you have a patent you have to assert its viability in court before you can claim infringement.

A good example is the often and even now still trotted out slogan by Samsung in an attempt to deceive the public:



This was the failed patent that Apple asserted but Samsung was not found guilty of breaching. But it sounds good so keep trotting it out so the public can lap it up.