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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
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30/09/2012 22:19
30/09/2012 22:19
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johnnybravoturbo
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Always need for sarcasm with you David. Your a funny guy after all.
Such a simple question inspired the response. I didn't even mention getting the head reworked as it would not need to be reworked and as my question was to Nigel not to you so there was no need for your response thanks again. Nigel sorry for taking it OT but I'm glad your getting it all done and I'm sure you can get a few more horses from it now as had been said Barbz knows a fair bit more about it now than what he did 7 years ago so best of luck It's an open forum Dave ,and the seemingly stupid question held no relevance to the initial post, more to belittle a subject previously answered. So on that note I have more right to comment as a paid fccuk member and coupe owner as anyone.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
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30/09/2012 22:50
30/09/2012 22:50
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Senny Dave
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Nigel why are you having another head done rather than use this one? Is it a stage 1 effectivly and you now going for stage 2 and more power as if not whats the point in having another if your only having the same?
John how is this a stupid question how does it belittle somthing previously answered? I asked Nigel as I'm intrested
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
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01/10/2012 10:45
01/10/2012 10:45
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This issue is what has kept me below 350Bhp for so long.
Didn't Flea go through several repeated cambelt failures when his coop was running around 450Bhp?
A 340Bhp, 300lb/ft powered thread hijacker
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
#1381580
01/10/2012 11:09
01/10/2012 11:09
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johnnybravoturbo
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I think all the top powered coupes in the day suffered belt issues.
I have been lucky enough not to have had any this far despite having 2 shred. Expensive nightmare.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
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01/10/2012 11:16
01/10/2012 11:16
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Kenno
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Kenno
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Aux belt failures. Not Cam.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
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01/10/2012 11:31
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Marco20ValveT
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it can happen at any time. i was lucky to catch mine at the right point. it already started going round the the crank pulley. had to cut it off and remove each bit, one strand at a time.
scray stuff.
and that was a new belt only 6 / 9 months old.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
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01/10/2012 11:42
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Nobby
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A friend at work asked me to look at his car (Skoda Fabia) last week and to my horror his aux belt was frayed to hell - and about half the thickness it should be. He said it had been like that for about 6 months  The aux belt was very wide though, maybe 1.5 inches.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
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01/10/2012 12:08
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samsite999
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Sorry to here about the belts Nigel. Hope the new head and headwork doesn't cost to much. I recall reading something about the 2.4 engine having a slightly different design on the belt system? can some one enlighten me to the specifics and why its not possible to move over this factory part
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
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01/10/2012 12:41
01/10/2012 12:41
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johnnybravoturbo
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Stilo system Sam is different but coupe with the stilo engine must remain the same as the ancilliaries and bracketry are different.
You could mount a dynamic tensioner to the original mounts as opposed to a static tensioner. However the downside is you would also need to run an inertia alternator to stop the belt "bouncing" on lift off.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
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01/10/2012 12:46
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samsite999
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So the 2.4 stilo alternator and 20vt one are different then If I understand correctly
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
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01/10/2012 12:49
01/10/2012 12:49
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johnnybravoturbo
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Yes the mounting points vary considerably but the engine block mounting point remains the same.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
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01/10/2012 13:13
01/10/2012 13:13
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samsite999
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Thanks Johny, so it doesn't seem like a cheaper easier option over a guard then. I just have not run across the same aux belt eating issue with the 2.4 stilo, seems limited to the coupe.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
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01/10/2012 13:26
01/10/2012 13:26
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johnnybravoturbo
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So far the option I offer seems to of saved numerous engines . Nothing's guaranteed but every precaution helps.
So there is a cheap solution at the moment.
I'm looking at a redesign of either the crank pulley or the aux tension side over the winter so watch this space.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
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01/10/2012 13:49
01/10/2012 13:49
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Thanks Johny, so it doesn't seem like a cheaper easier option over a guard then. I just have not run across the same aux belt eating issue with the 2.4 stilo, seems limited to the coupe. As it would happen Sam, we have just completed a top end rebuild on a Stilo 2.4 with... yes you guessed it, aux belt failure that resulted in 15 bent valves. I had a belt go last week on a Punto GT 20vt conversion, ironically the belt split all the way down the midddle with one half shooting out through the rear view mirror and the other seconds away from wrapping itself around the crank pulley. Luckily I stopped the engine just in time, so it lives to fight another day. However, it will be receiving an FC belt guard upgrade, something I am proud to say remains undefeated!
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
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01/10/2012 14:11
01/10/2012 14:11
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johnnybravoturbo
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The last bit isnt strictly true Flea.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
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01/10/2012 14:11
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Biggenz
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Luckily I stopped the engine just in time, so it lives to fight another day. That IS lucky. 
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
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01/10/2012 14:45
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roly
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 As always, you'll be back - stronger.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
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01/10/2012 14:52
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jonone
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I think Barbz now fits a slightly shorter belt with he's guards so they are tighter and have less chance of jumping?
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
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01/10/2012 15:40
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Barbz did mention that he could supply a different belt which reduces the chance of failure - I will be taking his recommendation
What grieves me is that this engine has done a quarter of a million miles, the last 200,000 of which have been in my hands. Its had a pretty hard life in this time, without any belts issues.
It was simply my slight lack of attention that's caused the problem - if I'd replaced the belts annually, we wouldn't be reading this thread (or at least we wouldn't be reading it about my car....)
My opinion is that a correctly fitted, aligned and tensioned belt that is in good condition simply doesn't come off. However, one or more problems, such as poor condition, slackness, or an alignment problem caused by a tensioner or pulley is enough to leave the belt vulnerable, with a 50/50 chance of engine damage, depending on which way the belt decides to travel when it comes off
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
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01/10/2012 17:00
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samsite999
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Flea, were the belts with in there service schedule? Also seems a fact that the Stilo isn't a car that's looked after particularly well sadly.
I wouldn't beat your self up Neil, changing AUX belts on a yearly bases is not something you should really need to do.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
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02/10/2012 06:20
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johnnybravoturbo
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I think that's the standard iPhone spell corrector.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
#1382003
02/10/2012 18:14
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samsite999
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
#1382285
03/10/2012 18:35
03/10/2012 18:35
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LOL - I've been called a lot worse.... Marco.... 
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
[Re: Nigel]
#1382971
06/10/2012 12:17
06/10/2012 12:17
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I wouldn't beat your self up Neil I think I know what you mean but who is Neil, has he lost a belt too?  As it happens, yes, but it was a long time ago, in a far country, and besides, the wench is dead. LOL - I've been called a lot worse.... There *are* lots things worse to be called; 'tis true.
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Re: Cambelt failure - pics
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13/10/2012 15:23
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Update Mmmmm - shiny Pistons are out and have been checked - all fine Big end shells are out - No1 shells were slightly worn, but all the rest were fine - any ideas? All are being replaced as a precaution It should all start going back together next week, along with some non-standard valve timing devised by Barbz Then, it's off to Leighton for some 630cc injectors and a remap session
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