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Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: Gunzi] #1404136
16/01/2013 11:06
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Originally Posted By: Gunzi
Originally Posted By: tim42
Just take the dump valve out... I'm running without one. Mind you, it still sounds chavvy biglaugh and I'm 57 box


Me too, although I don't think the pigeon sounds chavvy!


Winner winner chicken dinner laugh

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1404138
16/01/2013 11:09
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Originally Posted By: Perf
Now, while i've takled some basic car mechanics (changed brake discs/pads etc) what level is adding a dump valve?

Also, what even IS a dump valve other than a joyous noise maker? smile


So to even bring this slightly back on topic..

The 20vt already has a bosch recirculating dump valve. You can buy valves which dump to atmosphere which is what gives the 'tshhh' sound on gear change.

Bailey motorsport do a DV26 which is what some people have used in the past.

Swapping dump valves is pretty simple and if you can change a brake pad then this should prove no problem.

The purpose of the recirculating valve is to redirect the compressed air back when the throttle is closed back into the intake path before the turbo's compressor wheel to help keep it spinning. Without it you would stall the turbo and potentially cause damage to the compressor blades.

Now we can go back to talk about old fat baldy blokes...

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1404141
16/01/2013 11:21
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It sounds like if you have a dump valve that you will not be mistaken for a chav but a middle aged balding fat bloke. hehe biglaugh

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1404143
16/01/2013 11:23
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That also Motocoupe you can quite happily run without a dump valve and cause compressor surge for that rally esque turbo flutter laugh

Compressor surge won't do any harm to a car turbo though it will just make a noise there's a bit of an urban myth that it will destroy your turbo fast but in reality it won't there's simply not enough pressure produced by a car turbo to cause damage when it stalls, whereas the turbine side is subject to far higher abuse all the time. centrifugal compressors are rugged little gits in nature of design laugh

Compressor surge is only going cause damage to something like a gas turbine engine that is starting compressing from at least 15 BAR up to 40+ BAR lol then things can go horribly wrong.

But yeah as said its just heresy this surging damaging a turbo many HGVS run without Dump Valves and they do a couple hundred thousand per turbo at least anyone who's heard a Dutch Scania will know lol

The only things that will damage a turbo during its lifetime on your vehicle is poor maintenance, poor cooling, poor lubrication , debris in the system , thermal shock and criminal damage ie hitting it with a hammer haha

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1404146
16/01/2013 11:33
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Originally Posted By: Muzzynumber2
It sounds like if you have a dump valve that you will not be mistaken for a chav but a middle aged balding fat bloke. hehe biglaugh


I'll have you know that I have a full head of hair. Now, if I could just find where I put it! smile

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1404149
16/01/2013 11:39
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Originally Posted By: Pigman

I'll have you know that I have a full head of hair. Now, if I could just find where I put it! smile


scalp rug ?

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1404153
16/01/2013 11:41
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Originally Posted By: Pigman
Originally Posted By: Muzzynumber2
It sounds like if you have a dump valve that you will not be mistaken for a chav but a middle aged balding fat bloke. hehe biglaugh


I'll have you know that I have a full head of hair. Now, if I could just find where I put it! smile
rofl

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1404370
16/01/2013 23:44
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Originally Posted By: Kenno
Originally Posted By: Perf
Now, while i've takled some basic car mechanics (changed brake discs/pads etc) what level is adding a dump valve?

Also, what even IS a dump valve other than a joyous noise maker? smile


So to even bring this slightly back on topic..

The 20vt already has a bosch recirculating dump valve. You can buy valves which dump to atmosphere which is what gives the 'tshhh' sound on gear change.

Bailey motorsport do a DV26 which is what some people have used in the past.

Swapping dump valves is pretty simple and if you can change a brake pad then this should prove no problem.

The purpose of the recirculating valve is to redirect the compressed air back when the throttle is closed back into the intake path before the turbo's compressor wheel to help keep it spinning. Without it you would stall the turbo and potentially cause damage to the compressor blades.

Now we can go back to talk about old fat baldy blokes...



Ok, well hopefully I can hold off the balding for now! (26!)
Is there a guide anywhere for how to do this? Is it as simple as locating the bosch one and replacing it with a DV26?

Cheers!

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1404372
16/01/2013 23:49
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You will need to bung up one of the pipes in order to fit the DV26. It's the pipe on the inlet side. Rather than recirculating the excess boost into the inlet side it dumps it to atmosphere.

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1404374
16/01/2013 23:55
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Last edited by Perf; 17/01/2013 00:19.
Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1404378
17/01/2013 00:19
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Yep. It's a simple job to do. Shouldn't take more than half an hour.

don't pay more than £81 for it!
http://www.baileymotorsport.co.uk/PDF/2011_retail_pricelist.pdf

I suspect they'll go for £40 or so. The dv26 fits all sorts of cars so appeal is wide.

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1404381
17/01/2013 00:41
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Suweet, when it is not so horribly cold I think I will give this one a go! laugh ehehehe!

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1404615
17/01/2013 22:23
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I have bought one from the member Jame5. I'll let you folks know how it goes.

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1405289
20/01/2013 23:53
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Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1407497
30/01/2013 19:05
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Originally Posted By: Pigman
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Motocoupe, who has posted in this thread, is only 20 and has just bought a 20VT, so young people do buy them. Nothing against younguns by the way. I was one once, a looooooong time ago! laugh

Also, I'm sure he's got no spots and isn't a chav.

JBT will attest I am not a chav laugh

Ah yes I bought a 20v VIS which was a hoot to drive then after incident involving overcooked corner and a earth bank thats history.
but then I was hooked on coupes. so decided to buy a 20vt to replace it. The insurance is crippling as a 20 year old but is cheeper to insure the turbo than the VIS.
(Probably because its going to spend more time off the road than on)

Re: Yes it's totally chavvy.. but, dump valves? [Re: ] #1407521
30/01/2013 20:24
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I do like the sound of a good dump.

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