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Re: Standard injector flow...
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18/10/2006 14:46
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Hi Doc, Thanks for the compliment, I just happen to have a friend who has a ASNU system, so that I can test and play with it when I'm bored Actually, I've tested 10 (ASNU allows me to test 8 at a time) and selected only the best 5 to be installed onto my coop However, 2 of the injectors failed to operate at a pressure higher than 4 bar and 2 sprayed significantly lesser fuel at high operating speed(3 ms) Lucky me If it weren't for the tests I've conducted, I'll never know what killed my coop Cheers, David ps: I'll post pics and results of testing at different pressure and duty cycle
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Re: Standard injector flow...
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18/10/2006 15:56
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Nigel, It's interesting to know that the ecu will cripple the engine when the coolant temp goes higher than 100. With Barnacles widget, it seems to suggest that the high speed fan kicks in when the coolant temp reaches 103 degrees, do you konw when does the low speed kick in? I think with 20VT, leaning the cylinders a bit will not cause detonation that easily, coz our phase transformer (aka valve timing variator) shuts off a higher revs (4800 for stock chip and 4000 for novitec), leaving the intake to open and close later (8-54), so the piston is already traveling down at higher revs, therefore, even if there is a few knock, it will not be as devastating as the normal car- where the intake opens before the TDC (huge intake and exhaust overlap).Furthermore, the exhaust is already closed(40-0), so even if the restrictive exhaust results in higher exhaust pressure, this pressure will not be a problem at high revs, when the timing variator closes
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Re: Standard injector flow...
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18/10/2006 16:16
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Just did a search on Google and this thread came up I am intrigued to see that you have flow tested the standard injectors and found them to be capable of 440cc at 100% duty
The standard measurement for injectors is at 80% duty/ 3bar so that doesn't suprise me. Almost all tuners say don't go above 90% duty. That's why I am one of the people who believes you can make 380+BHP out of the stock injectors.
You may be able to work out your duty if the acr reader gives you some info.
Plus 1 I also think that the OE 20VT injectors are capable of much more than that.
As John mentioned, most injectors are tested at 80% duty cycle and 3 bar unless specified. And based on the fact that the injectors, no matter how great they are, they rely on the energized solenoid to retract the pintle from the seat in the injector...and then the return spring will seat it back after the solenoid is de-energized and ready for the next operation. This is a mechanical process and takes somewhere between 0.5~2 ms to happen, so if you're trying to operate the injectors at such a limited time, you will need to give it the right time to do so. That's one of the reasons why injectors are said to be maxed our if you reach 80~100% duty cycle, the injectors are recovering from the last event when you try to ask it to open and close again...it just can't happen. However, for our 20V injectors, I've noticed that the injector's duty cycle will always go be at around 95-99% at WOT, but anyway, I do agree that it's best to keep the duty cycle down to less than 80% for the highest flow required.
Aside from the above mentioned issue, there is also the problem with the amount of fuel that you need to inject into the cylinders in such a short time. Though the injection sequence is initiated some degree before the inlet valve opens, there is always the possibility that some portion of the injected fuel at high revs, only enters the cylinder in the next intake stroke. This is the tendency with injectors operating at near to 100% duty cycle, so again, it is best to use match the injector flow with the power output of the engine so that it will never exceed 80% duty cycle.
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