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Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: ] #1450396
28/09/2013 13:32
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Originally Posted By: suba
The most expensive aftermarket tips you can buy are 700 quid....


That's quite interesting. Do you know how labour intensive the job is/any other items like liners that need doing; or do you mostly get away with just tips?

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: szkom] #1450398
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Engine out, 2 hours (two people). Strip down, clean out any carbon from rotors, new tips, side and corner seals, seal kit for putting it all back together. 1 day. All new mazda parts cost about 800 quid if you do it yourself. A bit more if you go for unbreakable apex seals, which don't last as long, but will never throw bits of metal around the internals.

It only gets expensive when you go to a specialist who rips you off (plenty will), or a tip breaks and takes out a rotor, housing, and maybe a turbo on an rx7. Very rare on for this to happen on rx8. If a housing shows up as too worn a decent second hand one is 150 quid.

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: ] #1450400
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Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie
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The most expensive aftermarket tips you can buy are 700 quid....


So? A cambelt kit is £100 quid, what's your point?
The rx is a specialist engine that needs expensive routine work to keep it going. I had a mate with an rx7 and 10 years ago it was 1500 quid when he got told he needed tips.


You said apex seals cost 2 grand....they don't. Servicing is just plugs and oil like any other car, far cheaper than M3 or TVR etc.

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: chrissy] #1450407
28/09/2013 15:34
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A great example of their being two sides to every coin....as I said, when it looked at them general,consensus was there are more running reliably than ever went pop...and that most repairs were necessitated by poor servicing or people just not accepting the rotary IS a petrol engine, but is a very different petrol,engine that has it's own set of service and useage requirements ....damn and blast, I'm talking myself into,looking at them again!!....for what it's worth my mate has a bog standard 230 hp version, it's on 86 k miles and hasn't missed a beat, only been owned by rotary enthusiasts from new, returns less than 15mpg round town and mid twenties on longer runs, almost regardless how he drives it...

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: chrissy] #1450419
28/09/2013 16:40
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well if your happy with 230bhp on a good day and if you ever did get it dynoed not to bothered what the result was then yes.

I hate sounding like a hater but i wouldnt buy this car just because of what problems i have seen from my mates first hand. the fact you spend more time and money on maintaining it then any other car i can think of and then when you do chuck some more at it to speed it up it gives you the square route of F all in return.

If i was ever going to buy one it would be the PZ because it pretty much comes out the factory at a very good spec and thats as far as id go id then just have to maintain it.

biggbn you said 86k and hasnt missed a beat how do you know, alot of people dont even know theres a problem with there Renesis until its to late and its the same with alot of cars even the coupes (VIS Model mostly.

There always is 2 sides to the story but the cons out weigh the pros for me id always by the 6 port 0ver the 4 ie 230hp version but id sooner by the rx7


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Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: ] #1450446
28/09/2013 19:33
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Originally Posted By: suba
Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie
Originally Posted By: suba
The most expensive aftermarket tips you can buy are 700 quid....


So? A cambelt kit is £100 quid, what's your point?
The rx is a specialist engine that needs expensive routine work to keep it going. I had a mate with an rx7 and 10 years ago it was 1500 quid when he got told he needed tips.


You said apex seals cost 2 grand....they don't. Servicing is just plugs and oil like any other car, far cheaper than M3 or TVR etc.


I said tips cost 2 grand to get a garage to do, which it does.

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: knight7660] #1450455
28/09/2013 21:05
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Originally Posted By: knight7660
well if your happy with 230bhp on a good day and if you ever did get it dynoed not to bothered what the result was then yes.

I hate sounding like a hater but i wouldnt buy this car just because of what problems i have seen from my mates first hand. the fact you spend more time and money on maintaining it then any other car i can think of and then when you do chuck some more at it to speed it up it gives you the square route of F all in return.

If i was ever going to buy one it would be the PZ because it pretty much comes out the factory at a very good spec and thats as far as id go id then just have to maintain it.

biggbn you said 86k and hasnt missed a beat how do you know, alot of people dont even know theres a problem with there Renesis until its to late and its the same with alot of cars even the coupes (VIS Model mostly.

There always is 2 sides to the story but the cons out weigh the pros for me id always by the 6 port 0ver the 4 ie 230hp version but id sooner by the rx7


Sorry I should have said as far as I know it hasn't missed a beat...he has had it for four years and knows the last, and only, enthusiast owner...so I guess he/we know as much as anyone that it hasn't missed a beat...and yeah, I'd be happy even with the 190 hp car, I value handling more than sheer grunt and the Mazda doesn't take a second seat to much on the back doubles...

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: ] #1450456
28/09/2013 21:14
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Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie
I believe so? Don't forget in Japan 6 years is the lifetime of most cars! It'll become to our shit petrol, lack of real maintaince / cost of service.

The old wankel in the rx7 is just as delicate but they are worth alot more so a 2k set of tips and 150 quid for plugs isn't so bad.


Ok, fair enough, did not pick up that you meant that from your post. By the way - Any garage that charges 150 to change plugs is having a laugh, it's a 10 min job, and there are only four of them.

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: chrissy] #1450458
28/09/2013 21:22
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Suba, I adore the rx7! It's a classic! But... The engines, if not loved, are so dangerous!
Rx8 is living on past glory from the 7.

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Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: ] #1450460
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Agreed, rx8 is a very different beastie. I admire the concept, still has the balance and handling, but also has decent rear seats, and a lot more effort made on the interior....it's a far more 'mainstream' car. Such a shame they went NA on the engine....damned emissions laws. frown

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: chrissy] #1450500
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Totally! I would have thought blowing the motor couldn't make emissions / fuel any worse!!
I've just looked and I never realised 2k got so much car! I can see how you could talk yourself into one! Strangely I've never seen a grey (import) one like with so many other jap performance cars.....

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: ] #1450538
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It's the way the ports work, on the rx7 lump the exhaust port is straight out of the housing, not on the side plates. The exhaust gas just flies straight out - which is great for gas flow into a turbo, but not for emissions. smile. Even on the rx7 there is an 'air pump' as standard, which believe it or not, pumps air into the exhaust after the manifold to get then emissions down.

Ironic that I pay the same road tax on the rx7 as on my wife's old KA. crazy

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: chrissy] #1450548
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It's 460 quid for an rx8, 1.3 and 460 quid. Killer!!

Never realised that the emissions were "cheated" like that!

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: ] #1450558
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It depends on the year, pre 2005 the tax is less than that.

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: ] #1450566
29/09/2013 16:10
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Pistonheads: another one goes pop. You'd need to budget 3k on top of the purchase price IMO ready for when the engine (inevitably) lets go..

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Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: pinin_prestatyn] #1450758
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That was a while ago...and it was bought on the cheap.

I dont see what the problem is, budget 5K for a 50:50, rear drive, with LSD car including a re-build if needed. It's still a lot of car for the money.

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: chrissy] #1450792
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It's the hassle if it's your main drive / goes on the road!
It is alot of car for the money, they could also turn into a money pit. (just like the coupe!)

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: chrissy] #1456756
04/11/2013 13:19
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I've just sold my rx8 to look for a coupe!
It was a great car and needed no more maintenance than anything else. If you're buying one then a compression test is wise and if you have one premix the fuel with 2T and give it a beep once a journey (once properly warmed up).
Other than that just check the oil once a week and enjoy the superb handling. (If you can live with 14mpg round town!)

Re: Help in buying an RX8 Privately. [Re: chrissy] #1457423
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your asking for real trouble with that mileage if you ask me , however early milers can also have problems

If you need to get a rebuild you need to talk to this guy

http://www.rotaryrevs.com/content/services/engine-rebuilds/engine-rebuild-explained

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