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Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: barnacle] #1475113
19/02/2014 13:18
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Originally Posted By: barnacle
What... you don't mean... there could be some *racing* this year?


Let's not get ahead of ourselves!

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475121
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Hulkenberg has beaten the fastest time of last season's Bahrain test...

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475127
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Looks like Vettel's stopped on track after 10 laps. They seem to be close to the pace.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475139
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It could be said that Red Bull are really "on fire" this afternoon. coat

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475369
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Well, Red Bull finally got a decent number of laps in the bag. Posted a decent time, considering today was really a shakedown for them. There doesn't seem to be much wrong with the car speed-wise at least.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475372
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They'll be mighty relieved just to put a few miles on the car.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475523
21/02/2014 14:20
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Jenson has got engaged to his long time girlfriend Jessica. After the death of his father, I thought he might. Good lad.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475534
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Red Bull only got 28 laps done today due to a new mechanical problem.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475542
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As someone said yesterday (Vergne, I think) - the McLaren and Mercedes are quick, whatever tyres or fuel load they are using. Force India and Sauber are also looking in good nick, with Williams and Lotus looking like they have potential. Tough as ever for the lower-order teams. Red Bull and Toro Rosso must be getting a little frustrated, even if they aren't yet worried. Good news for Button on and off the track.

Forgot Ferrari: car looks pretty quick and neatly packaged and apparently needs less cooling than other power units, allowing sleaker body. But a few niggles are still hampering testing.

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Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475584
21/02/2014 20:58
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Force India and Sauber are a bit of an unknown in my opinion and Williams look to be in better shape than both of them, which I'm very happy to say. Sauber have a big aero package (almost a B-spec car) coming for the last test, but I personally think Williams would make a good bet for a podium in Melbourne. Lotus are still a complete mystery as they've yet to do a decent number of laps and they have lost a lot of good people jumping ship to other teams, with a fair few of them finding homes at Williams.

Yeah, Ferrari do look quite good, but they are around 0.2sec per lap slower at least than Mercedes and Mclaren on a race simulation run. I pointed out at the cars launch that it had noticeably smaller rad inlets, indicating that the Ferrari powertrain requires less cooling. The Sauber uses the same powertrain and they also have reletively small inlets too.

The pace of the Mercedes has been really impressive so far. Especially when you consider that it hasn't yet got anything really trick at the rear of the car like the Williams or Mclaren. I would expect most teams to adopt the Williams solution rather than Mclaren's, as the latter will require a hell of lot of work to retro fit.

I've been looking more into the Mclaren's trick rear suspension and it's really, really clever, especially as it drops drag as speed increases, by opening up the slot gap between the 'bell-shaped' rear wishbone arms. What none of the tech articles have picked up on so far though, is that in medium and high speed corners, a certain amount of 'drag steer' effect will be induced. It's obviously a secondary effect, but still worth having.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475589
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I think I would put my money on a Mercedes at the moment. RBR apparently running about 150bhp down on other power units. At least it will give a finger some rest this year!


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Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475690
22/02/2014 12:16
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A 1:33.2 from Rosberg in the Mercedes this morning. Hell's teeth...

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475699
22/02/2014 13:50
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Only 15 laps from Red Bull today. If it wasn't panic stations after Jerez, I think it's safe to say that is no longer the case. They (together with Lotus) have now lost two thirds of their entire preseason testing having done almost no meaningful running. Meanwhile, Mercedes and Mclaren are pumping in full race simulations. Although Rosberg caused two red flags today, so the Mercedes still looks slightly fragile.

Sauber, Toro Rosso and Force India have all had big reliability problems today.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475703
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And Kimi ends the day with a spin and has beached his car.

Slightly scary pace from Rosberg in the Mercedes today. I wonder if it was the first time the Mercedes powertrain has been ran at full power.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: ] #1475726
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Originally Posted By: DennisK
A 1:33.2 from Rosberg in the Mercedes this morning. Hell's teeth...


How does that compare with historical times?

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: ] #1475750
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A 1:33.2 from Rosberg in the Mercedes this morning. Hell's teeth...


How does that compare with historical times?


Rosberg's 2013 Bahrain pole position time was 1min 32.330secs. The 2014 cars are actually looking quicker than last years.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: ] #1475866
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A 1:33.2 from Rosberg in the Mercedes this morning. Hell's teeth...


How does that compare with historical times?


Rosberg's 2013 Bahrain pole position time was 1min 32.330secs. The 2014 cars are actually looking quicker than last years.


Very interesting!

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475925
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Some weird looks and noises..........

Testing footage

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475929
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Someone stuck a sword through the Ferrari at 0:55...


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Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475966
24/02/2014 13:10
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I love the noise!
They sound like proper old school f1 cars.
It would be good to see a return to form for Williams and hopefully Caterham can bag a couple of points too.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475975
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4 more days of Bahrain testing starting Thursday. That doesn't leave the teams much time to sort anything.

I believe the engine development must stop soon too and builds frozen. How does this work with e new engine supplier joining, as Honda will be doing next year. I find all this freezing of specs rather stupid, isn't F1 supposed to be the pinnacle of engine technology and developments. Let them continue to drive development I say. All this cost saving stuff is a joke, how on earth do you regulate it.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475976
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Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1475981
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The answer is that unless you freeze engine development, there will be an all-out arms race, with only the top teams able to compete. Customer engine deals (already hard to ensure parity of information, etc) would become multi-tiered and uncompetitive. The costs of unfettered development would drive many manufacturers away and most teams out of the sport. It seems - and is - artificial, but then it is up to the teams to find other loopholes and ways to gain a competitive advantage. It's ingenuity engineering.

As for enforcement, that will come down to forensic accounting and really shouldn't be too hard. Hopefully it won't cost as much as the development it is designed to stop!

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1476134
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Ferrari lose Smoggy Smedley to Williams...

C'mon Felipe baby!

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1476140
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Good news for Williams.
I hope he and the other newcomers can make it a much better year for the team.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1476320
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Interesting bit of background; one can only hope for better days...

Nigel Roebuck on the demise of FOTA

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1476327
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Some interesting reading on that site.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1476330
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There is. I didn't used to like Mark Hughes' writing, but he has done some good stuff for Motorsport.

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Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1476332
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Just been reading the Bahrain test summary on the BBC website.
Apparently Lotus are "happy with the pace of the car".
It's 8 seconds off the pace crazy.

Re: F1 2013 - 2014 season discussion [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1476615
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Rumours that Renault are asking for a delay to today's homologation deadline...

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